Pay to exit CGNAT

John Tempus said:
Well the issue here is that any ISP behind the curve on IP allocations will be stuck in this situation. Clearly Webafrica did not plan properly at some point and now paying the price after depleting their IPv4 network.

As you can see on the Afrihost post, they also mention they will be charging in the future when CGNAT becomes standard practice for all clients if you do wish to make use of unique private IPv4 assigned to you.

So it is probably the way all these ISP's who run out of IPv4's will be heading so either you cough up the fee they charge or somehow need to change to an ISP who planned better.

All of this could be avoided if they start utilizing IPv6 properly and in cases that traffic simply still need IPv4 then CGNAT that traffic specifically if there is no IPv6 support but it seems so many years after IPv6 got standardized this is still not even close to reality.
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It has nothing to do with bad planning (partially though). Good planning is having CGNAT for a little more security for all your average home users, and those who actually need a public-facing IP with ports to have a static assigned address.

Sure the world (especially ZA) is running out of IPV4, but CGNAT is there for a reason, 90% of people don't need ports forwarded or even know what IPv6 is. Even then, IPv6 is another whole discussion.
Anton Wolf said:
Most ISPs here will not allow for a paid static IP add-on on a standard package, you'll struggle for any kind of static IP unless you go for a business package, which might allow for the addition of /29 block for about ZAR350.00
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Not at all. I have seen most of the ISP's here offer a static address (we do as well) for home users at fees from R50-150 at most.
 
Anton Wolf said:
Most ISPs here will not allow for a paid static IP add-on on a standard package, you'll struggle for any kind of static IP unless you go for a business package, which might allow for the addition of /29 block for about ZAR350.00
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Reason you can't move away from webafrica?
If it 24 months contract what is the exit penalty?
 
ghostRgg said:
It has nothing to do with bad planning (partially though). Good planning is having CGNAT for a little more security for all your average home users, and those who actually need a public-facing IP with ports to have a static assigned address.

Sure the world (especially ZA) is running out of IPV4, but CGNAT is there for a reason, 90% of people don't need ports forwarded or even know what IPv6 is. Even then, IPv6 is another whole discussion.

Not at all. I have seen most of the ISP's here offer a static address (we do as well) for home users at fees from R50-150 at most.
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I know the average user is oblivious to all of that, they just need the tool to get them Netflix... but CGNAT should not be something one has to pay for to remove, and in retrospect, CGNAT should be there to give us (the 10%) a lot more room to wiggle. Please point me to those ISPs that offer static IP add-ons on standard packages I need to go shopping today! and dump Webafrica. The fact that you have to place a server at teraco or get a dedicated server from an ISP, just to gain access to static IPs for research applications seems a bit much and what's worse is that they are only as good as what can be done on that one unit.
 
Anton Wolf said:
I know the average user is oblivious to all of that, they just need the tool to get them Netflix... but CGNAT should not be something one has to pay for to remove, and in retrospect, CGNAT should be there to give us (the 10%) a lot more room to wiggle. Please point me to those ISPs that offer static IP add-ons on standard packages I need to go shopping today! and dump Webafrica. The fact that you have to place a server at teraco or get a dedicated server from an ISP, just to gain access to static IPs for research applications seems a bit much and what's worse is that they are only as good as what can be done on that one unit.
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I believe Web Squad is one such ISP that allows you to get a static IP for residential use.
 
Anton Wolf said:
I know the average user is oblivious to all of that, they just need the tool to get them Netflix... but CGNAT should not be something one has to pay for to remove, and in retrospect, CGNAT should be there to give us (the 10%) a lot more room to wiggle. Please point me to those ISPs that offer static IP add-ons on standard packages I need to go shopping today! and dump Webafrica. The fact that you have to place a server at teraco or get a dedicated server from an ISP, just to gain access to static IPs for research applications seems a bit much and what's worse is that they are only as good as what can be done on that one unit.
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I believe Web Squad is one such ISP that allows you to get a static IP for residential use.
 
Anton Wolf said:
I know the average user is oblivious to all of that, they just need the tool to get them Netflix... but CGNAT should not be something one has to pay for to remove, and in retrospect, CGNAT should be there to give us (the 10%) a lot more room to wiggle. Please point me to those ISPs that offer static IP add-ons on standard packages I need to go shopping today! and dump Webafrica.
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We offer static IP addresses on all our FTTH products for R49pm, think that price is worth it. If you are within KZN you can have a look at us @Ghostfibre

Plus looking at the other ISP's they all seem to offer a static IP should you request it.
Anton Wolf said:
The fact that you have to place a server at teraco or get a dedicated server from an ISP, just to gain access to static IPs for research applications seems a bit much and what's worse is that they are only as good as what can be done on that one unit.
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Oh yeah we agree with that, but that it all depends on what you want/need to do. If you are "stuck" behind a CGNAT then you can get around it via a wireguard tunnel to a VPS server and have that server act as a "router" to forward traffic from it's public IP address to yours, but not recommended. Would be better to rather 1.) Have a static IP at home or 2.) Run the applications via RDP/tools on the server itself, but if you need any actual compute power, the second option is just too expensive.
 
Anton Wolf said:
I know the average user is oblivious to all of that, they just need the tool to get them Netflix... but CGNAT should not be something one has to pay for to remove, and in retrospect, CGNAT should be there to give us (the 10%) a lot more room to wiggle. Please point me to those ISPs that offer static IP add-ons on standard packages I need to go shopping today! and dump Webafrica. The fact that you have to place a server at teraco or get a dedicated server from an ISP, just to gain access to static IPs for research applications seems a bit much and what's worse is that they are only as good as what can be done on that one unit.
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There's a lot more than just the packages restricting the "add on" static IP addresses.
Some FNO (Vuma) makes use of DHCP for example, or like Openserve where your ISP terminates the username within the Openserve network and traffic is routed back via IPC. (not sure if and how many ISP in SA use this vs L2TP LAC).

I do kind of agree that you should pay if you require it, but not super high fees - R50 at absolute most.
Personally I don't require it, if and when I do need to access stuff at home I use a VPN and DynDNS.. But also not on CGNAT.
 
Anton Wolf said:
What's a guy to do, when can't even get port forwarding!, we seriously need to adopt IPv6... as in yesterday! I'm definitely dropping them as soon as I can.
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Not sure what the issue is. 60% of webafrica traffic is IPv6 and 16% of Afrihost trafic is IPv6
 
Long standing WebAfrica customer just had CGNAT applied to my account last week with no warning. Now can't access my CCTV or router remotely.

Anyone had any luck getting it removed? I requested removal last week Thursday but no reply yet...
 
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supersunbird said:
WebAfrica has changed from good to bad many years ago, best to avoid them.
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That was when Matthew Tagg, the founder left.

Same thing seems to have happened at Microsoft and Google.

The new caretakers just don't have the same dedication and vision for the company.

We also saw this happening right in front of our eyes when MTN acquired Afrihost.

Luckily Gian was able to rescue his baby before it got to the point of no return.
 
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