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WHAT?!? iburst want to charge 4 bandwidth past cap? um... they have to be fsking stupid to do that .... er... wait they are fsking stupid.
ah well... i can only begin to imagine the amount of people who are going to cancell iburst... the idiots!!!
who wants to race me to get adsl?
ah well... i can only begin to imagine the amount of people who are going to cancell iburst... the idiots!!!
who wants to race me to get adsl?
Put it like this, if everyone cancelled adsl with Telkom when they first introduced 3gig WAY back, or if we all cancelled when realising that capped = zero international, we might not have even have it today. If everyone cancel iburst when this happens, it wont happen.
Question is, will everyone cancel? NO. Will iburst win again? yes.
Sad but true, with so little choice, compared to overseas when someone changes something you just jump around, in SA you just cant jump around like a frog and as much as you hate something, you just have to remain like a sheep dog, waiting on the masta's call.
Sucks dont it?
Question is, will everyone cancel? NO. Will iburst win again? yes.
Sad but true, with so little choice, compared to overseas when someone changes something you just jump around, in SA you just cant jump around like a frog and as much as you hate something, you just have to remain like a sheep dog, waiting on the masta's call.
Sucks dont it?
slimothy said:
Damn right.....it's the only main reason why I went for iburst. What is iburst without the unmetered 64k after cap......useless.
Let's hope their not complete idiots. (I know it's hoping for alot)
I hate this place more each passing day......just bad news all the time, nothing every good happens in this country. Every one just wants to bleed you dry of your hard earned cash. Cant wait to get back to london and install my 8mbps ADSL line.
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IS there anything we can do about this, it's so easy to say just go and get ADSL, but the price sucks, the service sucks, the installation sucks, the cables sucks, well you get the point, there is a lot about the WBS that stinks, but I must say they have grown and progressed, this is gona be in the wrong direction.
In the end ADSL is gona sit in the same ****ty boat, with even crapier speed, so rather we win this with WBS now than go back to the s_itkom!
Isn't there any way we can convince them otherwise???
Anyone...
In the end ADSL is gona sit in the same ****ty boat, with even crapier speed, so rather we win this with WBS now than go back to the s_itkom!
Isn't there any way we can convince them otherwise???
Anyone...
in a word... no
you see if they were doing this, and i stress that 'if' bit, but if they were the decision woul dbe based on factors out of our control, they would say OK we're hemmoraging money and therefor profits because of users who download 24/7 and really we only want the nice email crowd who might use a GB on a 3GB account per month, so why not cut the fat, get rid of the 24/7 type users and be back to profit in no time.
So if thats thier line of thinking, then you could have say 5000 users saying 'please dont do it WBS' but WBS will ignore it because 5000 light users make them more money than 5000 heavy users and a loss of all the users that download heavily (well heavily for WBS anyway) would clear up alot of problems on the network, like overcrowding and contention.
The last thing is they wouldn't need to constantly invest time and therefor money into thier custom software to throttle users, its much easier/cheaper to just cut off users than it is to throttle them, and I think WBS has had it with users finding ways around the throttle.
I could no longer use iBurst if this were the case, I do not want to take any steps backwards and thats exactly why I wouldn't go to something like 192kbit ADSL as it is. So if they were to implement this at the earliest it would be in August (although I'd like to think we'd have more notice than a week or so) and that means I just jump to 1mbit ADSL, for those who can't get ADSL..... I'm not sure what to say to you.
From my business mind I think that this is just loopy because even if it gets them back to profit fast it would make growth slower and give them a bad name (plus the contracts... well it would definatly be in breach) but knowing WBS and how they seem to not think things through and make changes overnight, it probably is a possibility. But we can't assume its true untill they tell us it is.
you see if they were doing this, and i stress that 'if' bit, but if they were the decision woul dbe based on factors out of our control, they would say OK we're hemmoraging money and therefor profits because of users who download 24/7 and really we only want the nice email crowd who might use a GB on a 3GB account per month, so why not cut the fat, get rid of the 24/7 type users and be back to profit in no time.
So if thats thier line of thinking, then you could have say 5000 users saying 'please dont do it WBS' but WBS will ignore it because 5000 light users make them more money than 5000 heavy users and a loss of all the users that download heavily (well heavily for WBS anyway) would clear up alot of problems on the network, like overcrowding and contention.
The last thing is they wouldn't need to constantly invest time and therefor money into thier custom software to throttle users, its much easier/cheaper to just cut off users than it is to throttle them, and I think WBS has had it with users finding ways around the throttle.
I could no longer use iBurst if this were the case, I do not want to take any steps backwards and thats exactly why I wouldn't go to something like 192kbit ADSL as it is. So if they were to implement this at the earliest it would be in August (although I'd like to think we'd have more notice than a week or so) and that means I just jump to 1mbit ADSL, for those who can't get ADSL..... I'm not sure what to say to you.
From my business mind I think that this is just loopy because even if it gets them back to profit fast it would make growth slower and give them a bad name (plus the contracts... well it would definatly be in breach) but knowing WBS and how they seem to not think things through and make changes overnight, it probably is a possibility. But we can't assume its true untill they tell us it is.
Firstly let me say that i dont support pay per byte, but morally how do i justify my browsing habits being subsidised by someone else?
The reality is that in SA data is a commodity. Their are not many industries or services where "light" users subsidize "heavy" users. Medical aids come to mind but most of the traditional models are being replaced by a pay per use model (although often cleverly disguised as saving schemes etc). I dont expect my neighbor to pay my water bill so why should he pay for my bits and bytes?
I should not complain about paying for my usage as long as their is transparency as to the costs involved.
I am prepared to pay a "line rental" to cover the costs of the network and pay per byte if their was a different rate for local and international based on their upstream provider and a justifiable profit margin. I am also unwilling to pay for cached data as that should be covered by the line rental.
The reality is that in SA data is a commodity. Their are not many industries or services where "light" users subsidize "heavy" users. Medical aids come to mind but most of the traditional models are being replaced by a pay per use model (although often cleverly disguised as saving schemes etc). I dont expect my neighbor to pay my water bill so why should he pay for my bits and bytes?
I should not complain about paying for my usage as long as their is transparency as to the costs involved.
I am prepared to pay a "line rental" to cover the costs of the network and pay per byte if their was a different rate for local and international based on their upstream provider and a justifiable profit margin. I am also unwilling to pay for cached data as that should be covered by the line rental.
If they intend to start charging after we reach the cap, then as much as I have supported iburst since I have not had the problems that others have, I too will wave it goodbye.
Lets hope it's only a rumour as I really enjoyed the speed and been able to use iburst from various other places besides home.
I should have expected something bad to happen as up until now it's been too good to be true for sa.
Lets hope it's only a rumour as I really enjoyed the speed and been able to use iburst from various other places besides home.
I should have expected something bad to happen as up until now it's been too good to be true for sa.
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if they offer bandwidth at a much lower cost, after capping then im for this 100%, but i mean like R50 a gig. Otherwise WBS piss off!
dave but wouldn't you think they would have to drop the price per gb or mb if they no longer had light users subsidise the heavy ones.
I hoped they factored the 64kbit * 24/7 thing into the costs, if they didnt.. then thats a problem, because I was under the impression I paid for what i used now and wasnt subsidised at all.
I hoped they factored the 64kbit * 24/7 thing into the costs, if they didnt.. then thats a problem, because I was under the impression I paid for what i used now and wasnt subsidised at all.
Same here MrH, I had ISDN before i came over to Iburst, this is the only reason to pay that much more, the R7 after hour thing worked fine, but this was heaven after using the poor ISDN.
I also igree on that I pay for what I use, and signed a contract on that, not that it meant much when looking at their previos actions, but I don't wan't to lose what I have!
I also igree on that I pay for what I use, and signed a contract on that, not that it meant much when looking at their previos actions, but I don't wan't to lose what I have!