PC VS Mac

kilobitsperyear said:
I think that if your needs fit the Apple mold, then you will not have an issue with their products. But, others like myself, will find that sacrifices need be made in order to maintain the same level of PC functionality or extra must be spent to overcome these limitations
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A docking station gives you convenience, not functionality.

bwana said:
I wouldnt mind if they added a card reader to the MBP in lieu of the ExpressCard/34 slot that I've never used.
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You get ExpressCard card readers that (as far as I know) don't protrude, so you can pretty much leave it in. linky

Sputnik said:
No, I wouldn't say so. I have two docks, one for office and one for home. The power supplies are always plugged in, so is lan and monitor. That means I only have to cart the machine around and not extra power supplies and so forth.
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If you can buy two docks why don't you consider that one can buy two powersupplies?

I have one power supply at work and one at the office. My "docking station" at home is my USB hub, which hosts everything I connect to the Mac. So all I have to plug in is power, the external screen, and one USB port. This is just as quick as docking my Compaq laptop. A docking station would save me five seconds. The only benefit to me would be the somewhat more tidy desk.
 
VertigoZA said:
So true... happens everytime i use a PC laptop... (^%#^$ what the hell is wrong with this thing... oh.) :P
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Hehe, yes like when I use my Compaq. The interesting thing though, it doesn't have the side "slider area" that modern PC laptops have, but the linux trackpad driver has that functionality, so it works in Linux.
 
Hi All... okay, here goes....

Perhaps Mac adopters who have used mostly Macs do not find fault with the hardware or OS. Perhaps even those switching from a PC to Mac also have no qualms with Apple... I can only speak for myself and from my own experience. Last year I looked at a G5 desktop workstation... the Apple RAM upgrade to 8GB cost more than the entire machine.... I looked at a MBP... and discovered that really, for the same amount of money I could get a similar notebook WITH essential extras...

The many people I meet who use a Mac daily seem to be OK with the hardware. Quite a number of them do indeed have to dual-boot into a Windows environment to get some 3D / design / modeling work done - just because there is no real OSX alternative for them at the moment - so it is Mac for most of the day, bootcamp Windows for the rest. All of them use their Macs daily, a lot work around the various "limitations" and constraints.

I have thought about switching and for me it would mean a huge expense - replacing "redundant" hardware and having to "adapt" to the lack of other options. So for me it is remains PC without a doubt.

Notebook docking solutions are essential in my mind. One at the office, one at home, everything always connected and ready for use and all that is in the bag is the laptop and a spare battery. This works for me.

It has been said that Apple have no MB docks... other options seem to be an afterthought - perhaps the Macbooks HAVE to be under an inch thin and thus a dock connector interface is therefore omitted... I dunno? Design aesthetic trumps function? Apple is very specifically marketed, designed and manufactured... and seems to be very content with its current share of the pie. Apple users are (in)famous for their loyalty to the product. 3rd party options may well indeed be limited by Apple legalities... or I may be the only one who needs such a thing in a Mac notebook... who knows.

Thus, as I have said... I really do appreciate their design... OSX is famously reliable... they are priced according to their market and thus succeed. BUT, it is my PC biased opinion, that if you remove OSX from the equation, then Apple hardware offers no real advantage other than aesthetic appeal and THAT comes at a (market targeted) premium price.....
 
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kilobitsperyear said:
Hi All... okay, here goes....

Perhaps Mac adopters who have used mostly Macs do not find fault with the hardware or OS. Perhaps even those switching from a PC to Mac also have no qualms with Apple... I can only speak for myself and from my own experience. Last year I looked at a G5 desktop workstation... the Apple RAM upgrade to 8GB cost more than the entire machine.... I looked at a MBP... and discovered that really, for the same amount of money I could get a similar notebook WITH essential extras...


The many people I meet who use a Mac daily seem to be OK with the hardware. Quite a number of them do indeed have to dual-boot into a Windows environment to get some 3D / design / modeling work done - just because there is no real OSX alternative for them at the moment - so it is Mac for most of the day, bootcamp Windows for the rest. All of them use their Macs daily, a lot work around the various "limitations" and constraints.

I have thought about switching and for me it would mean a huge expense - replacing "redundant" hardware and having to "adapt" to the lack of other options. So for me it is remains PC without a doubt.

Notebook docking solutions are essential in my mind. One at the office, one at home, everything always connected and ready for use and all that is in the bag is the laptop and a spare battery. This works for me.

It has been said that Apple have no MB docks... other options seem to be an afterthought - perhaps the Macbooks HAVE to be under an inch thin and thus a dock connector interface is therefore omitted... I dunno? Design aesthetic trumps function? Apple is very specifically marketed, designed and manufactured... and seems to be very content with its current share of the pie. Apple users are (in)famous for their loyalty to the product. 3rd party options may well indeed be limited by Apple legalities... or I may be the only one who needs such a thing in a Mac notebook... who knows.

Thus, as I have said... I really do appreciate their design... OSX is famously reliable... they are priced according to their market and thus succeed. BUT, it is my PC biased opinion, that if you remove OSX from the equation, then Apple hardware offers no real advantage other than aesthetic appeal and THAT comes at a (market targeted) premium price.....
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If that's your opinion the keep it, avoid mac altogether. You are only preaching to the choir.
 
Hey

I can't even find a button under the MBP trackpad!?

* kernel panic
* BSOD
 
Sputnik said:
If that's your opinion the keep it, avoid mac altogether. You are only preaching to the choir.
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Now that sort of reaction is common amongst Mac lovers. It doesn't help the cause and makes you sound like the followers of Elron Hubbard.
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As far as docking is concerned. Some of these can be quite sophisticated. The one's I've seen have full ports - useful when they were much bigger. A built-in LAN card, power supply etc. Some even had the option of another HDD.

Nowadays I think the fashion has changed and they've fallen out of use.
 
Sackboy said:
Now that sort of reaction is common amongst Mac lovers. It doesn't help the cause and makes you sound like the followers of Elron Hubbard.
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As far as docking is concerned. Some of these can be quite sophisticated. The one's I've seen have full ports - useful when they were much bigger. A built-in LAN card, power supply etc. Some even had the option of another HDD.

Nowadays I think the fashion has changed and they've fallen out of use.
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As the old Apple slogan goes: Think Different.

We're all converted evangelists here.
 
kilobitsperyear said:
Thus, as I have said... I really do appreciate their design... OSX is famously reliable... they are priced according to their market and thus succeed. BUT, it is my PC biased opinion, that if you remove OSX from the equation, then Apple hardware offers no real advantage other than aesthetic appeal and THAT comes at a (market targeted) premium price.....
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You are 100% correct...

BUT OSX IS part of the equation, and until such time as Dell/HP/Acer/whatever make a machine that looks as good as an iMac/Macbook/whatever does; Until I can run OSX on it AND each machine integrates seamlessly with other accessories.. (iPhone to Airport express to Time Capsule to iPod to Airtunes etc etc etc) I'm going to keep going back to Apple. I think you are missing the point. Apple Zealots are not really after form, we're actually after function... As an Apple user I expect my Machine to work 100% of the time... I don't want to worry about drivers (anyone tried reinstalling a PC lately, what a ballache!!) and complicated menus (Control Panel/Network Neighbourhood vs Preferences) ... There's really something to be said for 1 manufacturer that produces both the hardware and the software. On a PC you are always going to have a situation of "too many cooks in the Kitchen" and this always causes unnecessary complication. I've used PC for most of my life, but I moved to Mac because of it simplicity of function, and if this means i have to accept sub-par hardware, then so be it...

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VertigoZA said:
You are 100% correct...

BUT OSX IS part of the equation, and until such time as Dell/HP/Acer/whatever make a machine that looks as good as an iMac/Macbook/whatever does; Until I can run OSX on it AND each machine integrates seamlessly with other accessories.. (iPhone to Airport express to Time Capsule to iPod to Airtunes etc etc etc) I'm going to keep going back to Apple. I think you are missing the point. Apple Zealots are not really after form, we're actually after function... As an Apple user I expect my Machine to work 100% of the time... I don't want to worry about drivers (anyone tried reinstalling a PC lately, what a ballache!!) and complicated menus (Control Panel/Network Neighbourhood vs Preferences) ... There's really something to be said for 1 manufacturer that produces both the hardware and the software. On a PC you are always going to have a situation of "too many cooks in the Kitchen" and this always causes unnecessary complication. I've used PC for most of my life, but I moved to Mac because of it simplicity of function, and if this means i have to accept sub-par hardware, then so be it...

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Those are ALL Apple products, so we would expect them to cooperate. The fact that OSX just works, is not an accident of design. Many of us would rather use it because it is better, but I don't think you fully understand the compatibilty concept.
 
kilobitsperyear said:
Apple is very specifically marketed, designed and manufactured... and seems to be very content with its current share of the pie.

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that if you remove OSX from the equation, then Apple hardware offers no real advantage other than aesthetic appeal and THAT comes at a (market targeted) premium price.....
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I think Apple knows that opening up OSX to generic hardware will be biting of far far more than they can chew. A move like that can easily wipe out the company.


Sputnik said:
We're all converted evangelists here.
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Speak for yourself. I use a Linux deskop fare more than my Mac. Until I can get KDE's Konsole running on OSX and Linux-style highlight/middle-click for copy/paste, there is no way I could work as fast on OSX as on Linux. Forget about Windows.
 
cerebus said:
I've been using a Mac - one of the aluminum/glass models - to work with for the past few months. I love the screen. Overall it's a nice experience. I just hate the fact that you have to search so hard to find software for specific uses, whereas PC has such an abundance of useful freeware apps. I'm trying to parse a video in iMovie, only to discover that it only uses two obscure video formats and I can't find an encoder which will transfer the video over for me on Mac - ffmpegx doesn't work, despite spending 4 hours getting it set up. So guess what - back to PC for a job that Mac should be able to do sleeping given its reputation as a media powerhouse.
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Plenty of free apps if you know where to look...

Softpedia's mac section, macupdate and Apple downloads are my favs.
 
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