PC VS Mac

Sackboy said:
Those are ALL Apple products, so we would expect them to cooperate. The fact that OSX just works, is not an accident of design. Many of us would rather use it because it is better, but I don't think you fully understand the compatibilty concept.
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Apple are making the effort to be compatible with microsoft, this has been going for some time actually. Why? Out of necessity, ur xserve can now be a PDC, directory integration is pretty flawless, the iphone has a damn good exchange plugin which is being released for snow leapard....they are making the move to become more than just a status symbol or a video/photo editing toy....Its hard to break general user mentality, and apples price range dont help, but the integration is making it easier to break into the corporate market, which tbo is where they need to be...

koffiejunkie said:
I think Apple knows that opening up OSX to generic hardware will be biting of far far more than they can chew. A move like that can easily wipe out the company.
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without a doubt, the fact that the software is written for specific hardware allows the greatness that is OSX, breaking this mold would be ludicrous...
 
tau1z said:
Out of necessity, ur xserve can now be a PDC, directory integration is pretty flawless
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They have benefited greatly from their decision to draw heavily on open source software in this regard. Samba+OpenLDAP is a pretty powerful combination.

I really hope that the exchange integration will, other than the usual mail, addressbook and calendar, take care of the following:

1. Shared calendars - I cannot open this with MS Office 2008 Entourage :confused::mad:
2. Global Catalog for group addresses.

If that happens I can throw away Office 2008.
 
I have been working on Macs for design work, but I still prefer the PC, also I dont know why but working on the Mac seems a bit slower for me.
 
koffiejunkie said:
They have benefited greatly from their decision to draw heavily on open source software in this regard. Samba+OpenLDAP is a pretty powerful combination.

I really hope that the exchange integration will, other than the usual mail, addressbook and calendar, take care of the following:

1. Shared calendars - I cannot open this with MS Office 2008 Entourage :confused::mad:
2. Global Catalog for group addresses.

If that happens I can throw away Office 2008.
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How is this working you with you KDE desktop?
 
Sputnik said:
How is this working you with you KDE desktop?
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I use my laptop when I'm visiting clients (so working on the train etc) and when I'm at home, preparing presentations, training material, etc. Nice for working on my inbox when I'm off-line.
 
kilobitsperyear said:
Thus, as I have said... I really do appreciate their design... OSX is famously reliable... they are priced according to their market and thus succeed. BUT, it is my PC biased opinion, that if you remove OSX from the equation, then Apple hardware offers no real advantage other than aesthetic appeal and THAT comes at a (market targeted) premium price.....
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Hardly. There are other reasons too. As said Apple also releases incredible software, mostly its pro-Apps. The photographers on this forum will testify
to how good Aperture is, while video editors will tell you that Final Cut Studio
is probably the best editing package out there and leaves Adobe Premiere far behind while Sony Vegas and other solutions are amateurish toys in comparison.
Avid Media Composer, the only real competition to Apple Final Cut Pro is available in both Mac and Windows versions.

Apple has added some very expensive software into it's pro-apps league:
Apple Color - an application which sold for $10,000 only two years ago when
owned by a different company, is
included free in Apple Final Cut Studio - which costs under $1000
and is cheaper than the Adobe Creative Suite.
Apple Shake - a package which likewise not long ago cost $10,000
per licence now retails for under $500 and whips AE's butt.

The applications have been used in movies such as King Kong and LOTR trilogy. You don't getter apps than these and they are cut price dirt cheap for any prosumer movie studio or enthusiast. In the PC world equivalents at this price do not exist, and the Linux version of Shake still costs $5000 per license.

As you can see buying Apple Hardware saves you a lot more money in the long run if you're in need of these apps. Apple H/W is not that expensive either, if you compare the MacPro whenever it gets upgraded with the
same Dell equivalent you'll find that the Mac Pro may even be cheaper.
Such was the case when I bought my MP.

I would also like to say that unlike ADOBE, Apple actually bundles tons of manuals in paper form with their software. Final Cut Studio package I bought last year
was fully filled with books. The Adobe Photo Shop CS4 I bought end of last year had a big box with an ad and the DVD jewel case only. Print or buy your own
manuals from Adobe.

Apple offer a great deal of value. Investing in their h/w offers great savings in the long run.
 
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koffiejunkie said:
Speak for yourself. I use a Linux deskop fare more than my Mac. Until I can get KDE's Konsole running on OSX and Linux-style highlight/middle-click for copy/paste, there is no way I could work as fast on OSX as on Linux. Forget about Windows.
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Unfortunately that only works in the terminal in OS X. What else do you miss from konsole though?
 
Apple Hardware Costs

PeterCH said:
As you can see buying Apple Hardware saves you a lot more money in the long run if you're in need of these apps. Apple H/W is not that expensive either, if you compare the MacPro whenever it gets upgraded with the
same Dell equivalent you'll find that the Mac Pro may even be cheaper.
Such was the case when I bought my MP.
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Hi

I can fully agree with most of your post... however... when I was considering the MP, the base system was around R38,000,

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the 8GB RAM upgrade... over R44,000 (yes 44K, not a typo)...

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R90,000 for a MP... I didn't think so....
 
kilobitsperyear said:
Hi

I can fully agree with most of your post... however... when I was considering the MP, the base system was around R38,000,

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the 8GB RAM upgrade... over R44,000 (yes 44K, not a typo)...

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R90,000 for a MP... I didn't think so....
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You buy RAM like I did from a place like TransIntl or Crucial.
It's all Apple certified RAM with correct heatsinks. Lifetime warranty.

8GB costs $174.
http://www.transintl.com/store/cate...ID=1724195&CFTOKEN=2676109&RequestTimeOut=500
 
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icyrus said:
Unfortunately that only works in the terminal in OS X. What else do you miss from konsole though?
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I like the "Console" font in Konsole - hen you use the console for 9 straight hours a day, that becomes important. I also like the tabs, the notifications, the way it handles resizing, etc. The acceleration too, when scrolling through large log files, it's pretty damn fast.
 
koffiejunkie said:
I like the "Console" font in Konsole - hen you use the console for 9 straight hours a day, that becomes important. I also like the tabs, the notifications, the way it handles resizing, etc. The acceleration too, when scrolling through large log files, it's pretty damn fast.
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I tend to do all my dev work in vim so I know where you're coming from but I like monaco as a console font so no complaints there from me.

To each there own but its been over 3 years since I used linux as my primary desktop and I don't miss it.
 
icyrus said:
I tend to do all my dev work in vim so I know where you're coming from but I like monaco as a console font so no complaints there from me.
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In which terminal? Damn, I don't even know how to get true type fonts into Konsole :)
 
Well picked up my MBP 2.53 4gig (dual GPU) on Friday and I must say I have been blown away at the ease of use and performance, the last Mac I owned was the original Macintosh back in the 80's. I will say however that Mac's still have this holier-than-thou stigma attached to them and are not really aimed at the mainstream market, BUT if there was a time when Macbooks fell in at the same price point as similar spec'd PC laptops you would stupid not to buy a Macbook.

I'm still learning the ropes regarding the way OSX works and although it as been frustrating at times I think I'll have it waxed in a few weeks. I've already managed to delete my Safari browser and had to re-install from the Install DVD using Pacifist couldn't find another way as the OSX install does not allow you to choose the apps you would like to install like repair on Vista....well at least I couldn't find it.
 
Well, can you imagine deleting IE from windows? It would be trouble...

BTW, if you deleted Safari, as it put it in the trash can, you can always just drag&drop it back. Or if you made any backups (you should), just drag&drop from there.

That's one thing I love about the Mac - drag&drop really works. When I replaced the hard drive in mine, I literally drag&dropped my applications from the old disc to the new - no problems.
 
PAYBACK said:
Well picked up my MBP 2.53 4gig (dual GPU) on Friday and I must say I have been blown away at the ease of use and performance, the last Mac I owned was the original Macintosh back in the 80's. I will say however that Mac's still have this holier-than-thou stigma attached to them and are not really aimed at the mainstream market, BUT if there was a time when Macbooks fell in at the same price point as similar spec'd PC laptops you would stupid not to buy a Macbook.

I'm still learning the ropes regarding the way OSX works and although it as been frustrating at times I think I'll have it waxed in a few weeks. I've already managed to delete my Safari browser and had to re-install from the Install DVD using Pacifist couldn't find another way as the OSX install does not allow you to choose the apps you would like to install like repair on Vista....well at least I couldn't find it.
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From around 2006 to mid 2008, spec for spec... a Mac was cheaper...Then the Rand crashed... (and core saw $$$ signs in their eyes) and now are crazy expensive...

:(
 
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