Peruvian prison 'hell': Life after lockup

[Y'all Qaeda]

I suspect religion has lots to do with this state of mind..

it's to appease the religious nuts, certain business sectors, political rhetoric and other nefarious interests.

Activist groups, businesses and the organised drug trade will probably be against it sure. I'm not quite making the jump to religion though, I don't think there is any part of the bible that states:"Thou shalt not shoot the nectar of happiness into your body". Happy to be corrected.

 

[PAYBACK]

Next time do us a favor and try Singapore, Malaysia or even Saudi Arabia.

 

[airborne]

Activist groups, businesses and the organised drug trade will probably be against it sure. I'm not quite making the jump to religion though, I don't think there is any part of the bible that states:"Thou shalt not shoot the nectar of happiness into your body". Happy to be corrected.

You don't watch American news and see the sway the evangelical Christians have over politics and law makers??

I've seen a few articles that imply Sa has a similar situation just less organised/weaponized than the US but still it's there and calls some shots.

 

[JohnStarr]

Cool. How many lives have been destroyed by Alcohol? How many people are addicted to sugar? Cigarettes, yeah, they kill slower but it's the same concept really? We don't even understand fully the long term effects of vaping yet, that's legal.

Why remove access? People already know it's bad for them. They're gonna do it anyway.

EDIT: There is bigger issues in SA than controlling drug use. The tax is needed more than the additional criminals in prison. Heck, Imagine the dischem specials. With every 3 grams of Cocaine purchased, you get a free Narcan... Or however that works.

Oh, FFS...the alcohol thing. So you're condoning it then? One is legal, the other not.

But OK...

 

[RunningFromFat]

This, it's like accusing the barman of ruining the life of an alcoholic.

Oh, so cocaine is legal in south africa?

 

[Cray]

Oh, so cocaine is legal in south africa?

Oh, so you mean all those people who bought illegal cocaine and ruined their lives were forced to buy it were they?

 

[TheMightyQuin]

Next time do us a favor and try Singapore, Malaysia or even Saudi Arabia.

Why Saudi...no drugs to buy there.

 

[thestaggy]

WTF are you on about...druglord??

The druglord, as you call him/her, is in Switzerland and Monaco doing billion US$ and Euro property deals with laundered money....not running through the Mexican jungle swinging a machete and organizing drug mules.

He has Generals, Captains, Lieutenants and soldiers doing the work for him.

When it comes to coke, the big boys are in Mexico.

They have plaza bosses (lieutenants) running the day-to-day stuff, but the leaders are very much in Mexico with their fingers on the pulse.

El Chapo, as an example, was in Mexico before he was extradited to the US. Another current one is El Mencho, one of the most wanted men in the world, also somewhere in Mexico.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

You don't watch American news and see the sway the evangelical Christians have over politics and law makers??

I've seen a few articles that imply Sa has a similar situation just less organised/weaponized than the US but still it's there and calls some shots.

I don't really. Their news seems a bit of a clusterfsck. Point taken though.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

Oh, FFS...the alcohol thing. So you're condoning it then? One is legal, the other not.

But OK...

And that's the point. Why is the one legal when the other is not?

 

[JohnStarr]

And that's the point. Why is the one legal when the other is not?

If you're curious about this, why not ask the relevant authorities? They'll give you a proper answer. Unless this is rhetorical, in which case ask the relevant authorities. They'll give you a proper answer.

Again, either you condone hard drugs or you don't.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

When it comes to coke, the big boys are in Mexico.

They have plaza bosses (lieutenants) running the day-to-day stuff, but the leaders are very much in Mexico with their fingers on the pulse.

El Chapo, as an example, was in Mexico before he was extradited to the US. Another current one is El Mencho, one of the most wanted men in the world, also somewhere in Mexico.

I didn't say they LIVE over there...

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

If you're curious about this, why not ask the relevant authorities? They'll give you a proper answer. Unless this is rhetorical, in which case ask the relevant authorities. They'll give you a proper answer.

Again, either you condone hard drugs or you don't.

I'm pretty sure that the reason they're illegal is because, they're illegal. Doubt there was much thought put into it, other countries made it illegal, so we made it illegal.

 

[thestaggy]

I didn't say they LIVE over there...

They're definitely not in hotels in Europe in any capacity.

 

[Cray]

If you're curious about this, why not ask the relevant authorities? They'll give you a proper answer. Unless this is rhetorical, in which case ask the relevant authorities. They'll give you a proper answer.

Again, either you condone hard drugs or you don't.

What does condoning have to do with it? I don't condone smoking cigarettes but if people want to poison themselves then it has bugger all to do with me as long as they don't blow that sh*t at anyone else.

The problems that come from illegal hard drugs are massive, from crime cartels to drug addicts being made victims by the justice system. At least if it was legal you remove the power of the cartels, you drastically reduce crime, and rather spend all that money on drug rehab. At least then the only people getting hurt by drugs are the people that abuse them - it sucks but prohibition didn't work in the '20s with alcohol and it doesn't work now with drugs.

Want proof? The price of Cocaine has been falling since the 80's despite all the efforts of law enforcement.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/10192766

Since about 1990, there's been a gradual decline, it's not the same every year, but the result has been probably that the price is now half of what it was in 1990

 

[JohnStarr]

I'm pretty sure that the reason they're illegal is because, they're illegal. Doubt there was much thought put into it, other countries made it illegal, so we made it illegal.

You reckon? I guess other countries must have had their reasons hey!

 

[JohnStarr]

What does condoning have to do with it? I don't condone smoking cigarettes but if people want to poison themselves then it has bugger all to do with me as long as they don't blow that sh*t at anyone else.

The problems that come from illegal hard drugs are massive, from crime cartels to drug addicts being made victims by the justice system. At least if it was legal you remove the power of the cartels, you drastically reduce crime, and rather spend all that money on drug rehab. At least then the only people getting hurt by drugs are the people that abuse them - it sucks but prohibition didn't work in the '20s with alcohol and it doesn't work now with drugs.

Want proof? The price of Cocaine has been falling since the 80's despite all the efforts of law enforcement.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/10192766

No, it's harder to sell alcohol to a child but probably not so with hard drugs. Now, unless you have kids you most likely wouldn't have those worries.
It's illegal. Simple. Who cares what the prices have done. They're still there, still available and still affecting lives

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

maybe they should help these people?

I mean after all its a disease, maybe some of them aren't that far gone?

maybe the Thai government is doing it the right way?

Drug addicts vomit out their ills in Thai monastery

An obscure Buddhist monastery in central Thailand that advocates a secret herbal potion and ritual vomiting for drug addicts has become a final source of hope for thousands of Thais and Westerners. Since its foundation in 1959, Wat Tham Krabok, 140 km (85 miles) north of...

www.reuters.com

 

[Cray]

No, it's harder to sell alcohol to a child but probably not so with hard drugs. Now, unless you have kids you most likely wouldn't have those worries.

That's because drugs are illegal and the only way to buy them is on the black market... If drugs were legal they could be regulated and the black market wouldn't be the only market.

It's illegal. Simple. Who cares what the prices have done. They're still there, still available and still affecting lives

That's the whole point, making drugs illegal hasn't worked to prevent people from buying drugs... Despite all their efforts, drugs are still available to those that want them. What is the point of spending all that money on drug enforcement, all those lives touched by Cartel crime when the war on drugs is doing bugger all to reduce the availability of hard drugs?

 

[Gabe Owner]

Legalise, regulate and tax. Stop criminalising users and focus on eliminating the black market. The war on drugs is nothing more than a blackhole for the authorities, and a gold mine for those who have the nerve to run the business's producing and distributing. Illegal drugs force users to associate with shady characters, which is why soft personalities get tangled in harder drugs.