Peruvian prison 'hell': Life after lockup

[JohnStarr]

That's because drugs are illegal and the only way to buy them is on the black market... If drugs were legal they could be regulated and the black market wouldn't be the only market.



That's the whole point, making drugs illegal hasn't worked to prevent people from buying drugs... Despite all their efforts, drugs are still available to those that want them. What is the point of spending all that money on drug enforcement, all those lives touched by Cartel crime when the war on drugs is doing bugger all to reduce the availability of hard drugs?

It's illegal dude, so whether or not you like it or condone it, they're illegal.
Clearly you don't have kids therefore don't have the same worry as parents. Or would you be fine with them perhaps experimenting with hardcore drugs?

 

[Cray]

It's illegal dude, so whether or not you like it or condone it, they're illegal.

Simply saying that something illegal is not an argument, I know they are illegal, I am saying they shouldn't be because making them illegal has far more drawbacks than benefits.

Clearly you don't have kids therefore don't have the same worry as parents. Or would you be fine with them perhaps experimenting with hardcore drugs?

Again, just because drugs are illegal means bugger all in terms of drug availability... Do you think just because drugs are illegal, kids simply don't take them?

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

It's illegal dude, so whether or not you like it or condone it, they're illegal.
Clearly you don't have kids therefore don't have the same worry as parents. Or would you be fine with them perhaps experimenting with hardcore drugs?

As was alcohol during prohibition. And now everyone drinks it.
How many people get beaten cause their spouses are drunk? How many car crashes?

And before you ask, yeah, I have a child. Yes, I worry. I will raise him with the same fear/respect for drugs that I was raised with. Have I ever experimented with them? No. Do I intend to? No. Does that mean I want it made illegal? No. It's causing more harm by being illegal than it would if it was legal, referring specifically to OD's.

 

[Gabe Owner]

@JohnStarr you should take some time out of you MyBB commando role and watch this TED talk. For the sake of the children.

Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong

What really causes addiction -- to everything from cocaine to smart-phones? And how can we overcome it? Johann Hari has seen our current methods fail firsthand, as he has watched loved ones struggle to manage their addictions. He started to wonder why we treat addicts the way we do -- and if...

www.ted.com

I think you could also gain massively by reading the work of Karl Hart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hart. I know you're not a Rogan fan but his two podcasts with Karl Hart are vey interesting listening.

 

[Cray]

@JohnStarr you should take some time out of you MyBB commando role and watch this TED talk. For the sake of the children.

Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong

What really causes addiction -- to everything from cocaine to smart-phones? And how can we overcome it? Johann Hari has seen our current methods fail firsthand, as he has watched loved ones struggle to manage their addictions. He started to wonder why we treat addicts the way we do -- and if...

www.ted.com

I think you could also gain massively by reading the work of Karl Hart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hart. I know you're not a Rogan fan but his two podcasts with Karl Hart are vey interesting listening.

Excellent Ted Talk, have heard him speak before but that was a new one for me.

 

[Acid0]

Something tells me that this wasn't the type of Peruvian Flute he was blowing in prison.

Lol there is your answer ...... even the "D" approved of your post

 

[TheMightyQuin]

They're definitely not in hotels in Europe in any capacity.

OK, Pablo...you know best.

 

[RedViking]

Lol, mybb comments never disappoints.

 

[JohnStarr]

@JohnStarr you should take some time out of you MyBB commando role and watch this TED talk. For the sake of the children.

Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong

What really causes addiction -- to everything from cocaine to smart-phones? And how can we overcome it? Johann Hari has seen our current methods fail firsthand, as he has watched loved ones struggle to manage their addictions. He started to wonder why we treat addicts the way we do -- and if...

www.ted.com

I think you could also gain massively by reading the work of Karl Hart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hart. I know you're not a Rogan fan but his two podcasts with Karl Hart are vey interesting listening.

Thanks. If I have time I will do so. I understand addiction, but suspect you have missed the plot here with drugs, seeing as how this is what the general thread topic is about.
Or you're not a parent so have no experience to draw on. But thanks, I guess?

 

[thestaggy]

OK, Pablo...you know best.

These men are treated the same as high-level terrorists by the US government. El Mencho has a US$10 million ransom on his head, the same amount as the current leader of ISIS. For the same reason your Bin Ladens hide in caves and safehouses in the Middle East is the same reason cartel bosses keep extremely low profiles. If they travel it is discretely around Central/South America, their areas of operations.

The nature of the business is a factor as well. Cartels are wrought with infighting and internal power struggles. A boss that is thousands of miles away sipping on champagne is going to lose power back home and likely to the very people he trusts. They are a constant presence within their organisations because anything else would see them lose power. Low profiles also keep them alive.

 

[TheMightyQuin]

These men are treated the same as high-level terrorists by the US government. El Mencho has a US$10 million ransom on his head, the same amount as the current leader of ISIS. For the same reason your Bin Ladens hide in caves and safehouses in the Middle East is the same reason cartel bosses keep extremely low profiles. If they travel it is discretely around Central/South America, their areas of operations.

The nature of the business is a factor as well. Cartels are wrought with infighting and internal power struggles. A boss that is thousands of miles away sipping on champagne is going to lose power back home and likely to the very people he trusts. They are a constant presence within their organisations because anything else would see them lose power. Low profiles also keep them alive.

 

[Gabe Owner]

Thanks. If I have time I will do so. I understand addiction, but suspect you have missed the plot here with drugs, seeing as how this is what the general thread topic is about.
Or you're not a parent so have no experience to draw on. But thanks, I guess?

*rolling eyes*

 

[thestaggy]

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Educate yourself.

The DEA has touted a $10 million reward for information leading to El Mencho’s arrest. But so far, authorities have come up empty.

...

But following his trail has been difficult. At one point, the DEA believed he might be hiding in the mountains, but it has been challenging to pin him down.

In many ways, he’s been a “ghost,” one source said.

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El Mencho seems to be a lot more disciplined than Chapo was,” Bodner said. “El Chapo liked to live the flashy lifestyle — the cars, women, nice restaurants, alcohol. El Mencho is content to stay away from that stuff, to work out, to eat right, to stay off the radar.”

The New Chapo: An inside look at the hunt for El Mencho, Mexico’s bloodiest drug lord

The DEA is targeting a cartel kingpin the agency says is responsible for tons of meth flowing into the U.S. each month.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[konfab]

We have the climate, we have the farming skills - I will harp on this and die on this hill.

Legalising drugs and allowing drug tourism to SA will be very beneficial to the country.

I don't have an issue with legalisation, but it needs to be done carefully. As in it is a privilege that people can lose. People on drugs are deliberately doing something that increases the chances of them being a menace to society.

1) All intoxicating substances should only be legal to consume on private property with the consent of the property owner.
2) You can only purchase said substances if you have health insurance that has cover for said substance.
3) Getting caught driving under the influence of said substances instantly removes said privilege, and you have to attend an appropriate rehab program/facility for 6 months or face prison.

No additional taxes or regulation would be required. And they could remove the sin tax on alcohol as that would then be covered by this new policy.

 

[JohnStarr]

*rolling eyes*

Yeah, thought so.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

I don't have an issue with legalisation, but it needs to be done carefully. As in it is a privilege that people can lose. People on drugs are deliberately doing something that increases the chances of them being a menace to society.

1) All intoxicating substances should only be legal to consume on private property with the consent of the property owner.
2) You can only purchase said substances if you have health insurance that has cover for said substance.
3) Getting caught driving under the influence of said substances instantly removes said privilege, and you have to attend an appropriate rehab program/facility for 6 months or face prison.

No additional taxes or regulation would be required. And they could remove the sin tax on alcohol as that would then be covered by this new policy.

I fully agree, except on the tax bit. There absolutely should be taxes for this.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

Thanks. If I have time I will do so. I understand addiction, but suspect you have missed the plot here with drugs, seeing as how this is what the general thread topic is about.
Or you're not a parent so have no experience to draw on. But thanks, I guess?

Why should being a parent be the only experience to draw on that's valid for this? It affects siblings, children the whole familial unit can be affected. What if the commenter is an ex-addict? If anything that makes their experience even more valid.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

Educate yourself.

The New Chapo: An inside look at the hunt for El Mencho, Mexico’s bloodiest drug lord

The DEA is targeting a cartel kingpin the agency says is responsible for tons of meth flowing into the U.S. each month.

www.nbcnews.com

O ****. The cartel got Walter White working for them now.

At the DEA’s lab, technicians combed through the chemical composition of the meth.

“It’s much more pure (than before),” said Bodner, the DEA agent.

 

[konfab]

I fully agree, except on the tax bit. There absolutely should be taxes for this.

Other than VAT.

 

[Nineteeneightysix]

Hulle moes sommer sy tril afgesny het.