Pick n Pay in broken chocolate row

Pitbull said:
That would constitute theft the moment they leave the store.

Have you ever seen anyone being arrested for shop lifting? They only arrest the people the moment they leave the store. Up until they do so they can still claim they are going to pay for it. Once they leave then obviously they never intended paying for it.
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Sure, but if said person doesn't have the wrapper anymore, how's the store supposed to know said person stole it?
 
LazyLion said:
People need to learn some self discipline and teach it to their kids as well. We are raising a generation of instant gratification pussies.
My parents taught me to respect other people's stuff. And never mind eating in the shop, we didn't even eat in the car or parking lot. We waited until we got home.
People think everybody else on this planet owes them a favour.
You're not that special.
Grow up. Learn some damn manners.
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Well said!
 
I have seen adults eat in store before checkout. That sort of behaviour probably makes things more expensive for the rest of us as the store has to account for the odd dick who eats/breaks and doesn't pay.
 
pinball wizard said:
Dunno about theft, but it sure points to a complete lack of self control. I cannot stand people who do this.
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Agree to disagree , If you going to pay for it then there is no issue but this simply cannot be allowed because it just opens the door for people that do not intend on paying to open things , eat or drink half of it and leave the empty container lying somewhere in the store , if they get caught they just say they were going to pay.
 
LazyLion said:
People need to learn some self discipline and teach it to their kids as well. We are raising a generation of instant gratification pussies.
My parents taught me to respect other people's stuff. And never mind eating in the shop, we didn't even eat in the car or parking lot. We waited until we got home.
People think everybody else on this planet owes them a favour.
You're not that special.
Grow up. Learn some damn manners.
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+100%
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Sure, but if said person doesn't have the wrapper anymore, how's the store supposed to know said person stole it?
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I get what you're saying and honestly I don't know.

Maybe they have phantom guards stalking the isles to see who's stealing and who's not. I honestly don't know. My personal reservations would never allow me to eat something and not pay for it. I don't even pick up dropped or lost money :o But that's just me.

Dad always told me if you pick up money that don't belong to you, you will lose x100 more in the future. I have never even picked up a 10c when I see one laying somewhere. I even tell my kids to put it back when they pick it up.
 
Pitbull said:
Dad always told me if you pick up money that don't belong to you, you will lose x100 more in the future. I have never even picked up a 10c when I see one laying somewhere. I even tell my kids to put it back when they pick it up.
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Res nullius.
 
Cray said:
You are applying the principle to yourself and your own circumstances - not being able to pay is a temporary inconvenience at most.. What it the person decides to eat a bar of chocolate or a pie and does not have the ability to pay? i.e. flat broke - that is stealing regardless of them having left the store.
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Not true. It's only theft once they leave the store. But as per Orbital's example, I have no idea how they police it.
 
C4Cat said:
If I'm thirsty and there is a long queue, I'll often open and drink whatever I'm buying before I get to the till.
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What happens if you get horny while standing in a long queue?

What will your reaction be if guests arrive at your house and start to pig out on whatever is available in the kitchen before lunch is served?

Welcome to the civilized world.
 
LazyLion said:
People need to learn some self discipline and teach it to their kids as well. We are raising a generation of instant gratification pussies.
My parents taught me to respect other people's stuff. And never mind eating in the shop, we didn't even eat in the car or parking lot. We waited until we got home.
People think everybody else on this planet owes them a favour.
You're not that special.
Grow up. Learn some damn manners.
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BURN! :D

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ng-a-choc-before-paying-while-doing-groceries
LazyLion said:
I've done it with the kids before, but don't generally encourage it. Creates a bad impression and drops crumbs or sticky stuff on the floor. Not hygienic and you are presuming on the goodwill of the store.
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At the risk of stereotyping the folks of Mitchells Plain - I suspect that there might be problems with patrons consuming goods whilst in the store and not paying. I remember seeing a sign in a Spar in a KZN town that read something along the lines of "Eating/Drinking items in this store before payment constitutes theft and patrons will be prosecuted".

Often I find scrunched up chocolate/food packets in trolleys or thrown into shelves whilst browsing in our local shops, even empty cooldrink cans/bottles.
 
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Half the chocolates are already broken. That's why I always take the ones at the back of the shelves. Same with deodarants.
 
Pitbull said:
No matter how you look at it. Only when you leave the store without paying is it seen as theft. If you card is declined you pay cash. If you can't pay cash you speak to the manager so you can go out, get cash and come back. It's still not theft.
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Interesting but I tend to disagree because you cannot reproduce the consumed goods unaltered or undamaged prior to leaving the store.
 
Pitbull said:
Not true. It's only theft once they leave the store. But as per Orbital's example, I have no idea how they police it.
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The reason people are only arrested/charged when leaving the store is because is makes it much easier to prove the case, however it is incorrect to assume you are not stealing until leaving the store. The test is intent, did you intend to take something without paying for it, the act of leaving the store simply makes that easier to prove.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/can-i-be-convicted-shoplifting-when-i-never-left-store.htm
Can I be convicted of shoplifting when I never left the store with the merchandise?

A defendant can commit the crime of shoplifting without actually leaving the store. All he need to is to move the property and exercise control over it in a way that is inconsistent with the shop owner's reasonable expectations as to how shoppers will handle merchandise.
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http://www.crimedoctor.com/faq-shoplifting.htm#Shoplifting_7

7. Don’t I have to leave the store first before security can stop me for shoplifting?

No! Most states allow in-store detentions as long as the elements of the crime of theft are complete. However, most large retail chains have a policy to make detentions outside of the store, if possible, to remove any doubt as to the intent to shoplift.
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