Pirates demand R33m for SA hostages

I hope that no ransom was paid! But I'm ecstatic that they have been freed! Fantastic news.
 
killadoob said:
You cannot pay these pirates, the more you pay the more they kidnap.

If nobody pays them they will stop. It's sad but it is the only way. The US have that policy and it is a very good one.
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ahem

A United Nations report and several news sources have suggested that piracy off the coast of Somalia is caused in part by illegal fishing.[6][7] According to the DIW and the U.S. House Armed Services Committee, the dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters by foreign vessels has also severely constrained the ability of local fishermen to earn a living and forced many to turn to piracy instead.[5][8] 70 percent of the local coastal communities "strongly support the piracy as a form of national defense of the country's territorial waters", and the pirates believe they are protecting their fishing grounds and exacting justice and compensation for the marine resources stolen
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i know it's humankind to sweep any problems we have under a rug and just kill anybody that doesn't live the life we want them to live, but how did these people come about again? they didn't come from homes like us with computers, cars, stable jobs and whiny girlfriends and then think "hey... i want to be a pirate. arrrrr!"

Some pirates are former fishermen, whose livelihoods were hurt by foreign ships illegally fishing in Somali waters
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After seeing the profitability of piracy, since ransoms are usually paid, warlords and terrorist groups have begun to facilitate pirate activities, splitting the profits with the pirates.[32] In most of the hijackings, the pirates have not harmed their prisoners
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they're not angels and have even robbed ships bringing aid, but you can't always assume the people doing this are evil
 
also, interesting enough:

Additionally, impoverished fishermen in Kenya's Malindi area in the southeastern African Great Lakes region have reported their largest catches in forty years, catching hundreds of kilos of fish and earning fifty times the average daily wage as a result. They attribute the recent abundance and variety of marine stock to the pirates scaring away predatory foreign fishing trawlers, which have for decades deprived local dhows of a livelihood. According to marine biologists, indicators are that the local fishery is recovering because of the lack of commercial scale fishing.[111]

Piracy off the coast of Somalia also appears to have a positive impact on the problem of overfishing in Somali waters by foreign vessels. A comparison has been made with the situation in Tanzania further to the south, which is also affected by predatory fishing by foreign ships and generally lacks the means to effectively protect and regulate its territorial waters. There, catches have dropped to dramatically low levels, whereas in Somalia they have risen back to more acceptable levels since the beginning of the piracy.
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Ohh, here we go again - they did this because they were hungry !!

They demanded only R33 million just so they could afford a little bread and water.
They demanded only R33 million so they could feed their starving children.
They demanded only R33 million so they can fix their shack.

No sir - they did this to try and enrich themselves. Nothing more nothing less.
They don't deserve pity and should be dealt with swiftly and effectively.
 
smalltownsky said:
ahem bla bla bla

i know it's humankind to sweep any problems we have under a rug and just kill anybody that doesn't live the life we want them to live, but how did these people come about again? they didn't come from homes like us with computers, cars, stable jobs and whiny girlfriends and then think "hey... i want to be a pirate. arrrrr!"

they're not angels and have even robbed ships bringing aid, but you can't always assume the people doing this are evil
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Yes they are, ****ers are inable to make a living for themselves so they wanna take it from someone else, by force. That's evil. Lets see you get help up at gunpoint and still maintain 'oh no they're they're not evil they're just misunderstood/disadvantaged/poor' and 1000 other excuses.

Why is it that everyone wants the computers, cars, stable jobs and whiny girlfriends yet they're not prepared to work towards it?
 
(@) (@) twister said:
Ohh, here we go again - they did this because they were hungry !!

They demanded only R33 million just so they could afford a little bread and water.
They demanded only R33 million so they could feed their starving children.
They demanded only R33 million so they can fix their shack.

No sir - they did this to try and enrich themselves. Nothing more nothing less.
They don't deserve pity and should be dealt with swiftly and effectively.
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evilstebunny said:
Yes they are, ****ers are inable to make a living for themselves so they wanna take it from someone else, by force. That's evil. Lets see you get help up at gunpoint and still maintain 'oh no they're they're not evil they're just misunderstood/disadvantaged/poor' and 1000 other excuses.

Why is it that everyone wants the computers, cars, stable jobs and whiny girlfriends yet they're not prepared to work towards it?
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At the same time, foreign trawlers began illegally fishing Somalia's seas, with an estimated $300 million of tuna, shrimp, and lobster being taken each year, depleting stocks previously available to local fishermen. Through interception with speedboats, Somali fishermen tried to either dissuade the dumpers and trawlers or levy a "tax" on them as compensation, as Segule Ali's previously mentioned quote notes. Peter Lehr, a Somalia piracy expert at the University of St. Andrews says "It's almost like a resource swap, Somalis collect up to $100 million a year from pirate ransoms off their coasts and the Europeans and Asians poach around $300 million a year in fish from Somali waters."[31][128] The UK's Department for International Development (DFID) issued a report in 2005 stating that, between 2003 and 2004, Somalia lost about $100 million in revenue due to illegal tuna and shrimp fishing in the country's exclusive economic zone by foreign trawlers.[6]

According to Roger Middleton of Chatham House, "The problem of overfishing and illegal fishing in Somali waters is a very serious one, and does affect the livelihoods of people inside Somalia [...] the dumping of toxic waste on Somalia's shores is a very serious issue, which will continue to affect people in Somalia long after the war has ended, and piracy is resolved."[129] To lure fish to their traps, foreign trawlers reportedly also use fishing equipment under prohibition such as nets with very small mesh sizes and sophisticated underwater lighting systems.[117]
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so holding people hostage isn't as bad as robbing a countries source of income in your eyes? what is the excuse going to be this time, they are primitive, they don't know how to successfully catch all that fish?

i don't know about you guys, but what are we always telling the ANC? sort yourselves out first?
 
Still wondering what happens to all the money that was 'donated' for the ransom money by the general public
 
smalltownsky said:
so holding people hostage isn't as bad as robbing a countries source of income in your eyes? what is the excuse going to be this time, they are primitive, they don't know how to successfully catch all that fish?

i don't know about you guys, but what are we always telling the ANC? sort yourselves out first?
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Then I suggest the people of somalia elect an government who won't line their own pockets and are able to protect their shores from illegal fishing.
Alternatively if the government is unable - these pirates should only attack vessels illegaly fishing in Somali waters.(not ideal but at least the pirates would be seen doing something good)
 
(@) (@) twister said:
Then I suggest the people of somalia elect an government who won't line their own pockets and are able to protect their shores from illegal fishing.
Alternatively if the government is unable - these pirates should only attack vessels illegaly fishing in Somali waters.(not ideal but at least the pirates would be seen doing something good)
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i agree, and some of them do which is why i say not all of them have bad intentions. of course even somalians can be greedy and evil and some of them will do it to become rich. but that leads to other things, like why are foreign fishing boats going over their boundaries? they have started somethign that is not going to end once they start abiding by the law again. and then where do the pirates get the guns? where do they get the money to buy the guns? where does the money go once the ransom is paid? it becomes so complicated with all the different parties involved that we should also see Somalia as a forced victim.

i mean even robbing and hijacking boats is more noble than begging for hand outs in my eyes, but this happens in a lot of african countries. oil, boom, foreign countries and weapons are there. diamonds, boom, foreign countries and weapons are there. foreign countries create these monsters
 
(@) (@) twister said:
Then I suggest the people of somalia elect an government who won't line their own pockets and are able to protect their shores from illegal fishing.
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vZWY4Zw


This is Africa we are talking about...
 
ponder said:
vZWY4Zw


This is Africa we are talking about...
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I know.. And they always blame other people/countries for their problems - many of them self made. Will never improve until such time as Africa/africans start taking responsibility for their own actions/destiny.
 
(@) (@) twister said:
I know.. And they always blame other people/countries for their problems - many of them self made. Will never improve until such time as Africa/africans start taking responsibility for their own actions/destiny.
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again, bigger and more corrupt countries make these monsters and then we whine about Africa. what must they do when foreign trawlers come into their sea? starve to death? nobody cares what you or i think when they're starving and living in a **** hole, your and my opinion has no merit to somebody whose life is a living hell and the only thing they are guilty of is being born in a ****hole that has been made a ****hole by other countries.

fine, blame africa and africans, they are after all the ones doing it, but don't forget where those guns come from, and don't forget where all that extra fish is going and where all that waste comes from.

the world treats you like ****, eventually you're not going to care any more
 
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