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Thats why i think he has a huge problem alan, i don't think America want a black pres, but then again do they want another bush which mccain is not far off :)
 
they said that McCain was a POW in Vietnam and decided to stay behind for another year with some of his men who were not released. if thats why people must vote for him then i would rather vote for John Rambo, he was tortured and went back for his people and travelled the world freeing up potential voters from evil empires.
 
killadoob said:
i don't think America want a black pres
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This is ugly race-carding by the Left. The overwhelming majority of non-black Americans don't care one way or the other what race a person is. If this was an issue then you'd never have a black as the Chief of Staff or the foreign minister. Of course in your books these probably don't count because they're Republicans, but they do give the lie to the 'America is racist' canard.
 
killadoob said:
Thats why i think he has a huge problem alan, i don't think America want a black pres, but then again do they want another bush which mccain is not far off :)
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America is ready for a black president. Look at the polls. The idea that America is not ready is put out by desperate Republicans and closet racists.
 
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Well Betfair, says that O'Bama is going to win, they have the odds at 1.06/1.07, which means that if you back him, for every one rand you bet, you win 6 cents or if you lay him, ie take a bet that he is going to win, ie bet that he isnt going to win, for every 7 cents you bet, you can win one rand.

The market is pretty mature right now with over 12 million British pounds having been bet so far, so I think its a fair representation of the probability of O'Bama winning. McCain sitting at 18 to 1 to be the next president. While I would like to see O'Bama win, at that price its hard to resist a semi-small punt against him. and If I did that, I would want him to lose...
 
If Tuesday’s election were confined to white America, polls show, Senator Barack Obama would lose.

And yet Mr. Obama’s strength across racial lines lies at the heart of his lead in the polls over Senator John McCain heading into Election Day. Remarkably, Mr. Obama, the first black major party presidential nominee, trails among whites by less than Democratic nominees normally do.

America’s political parties grew decisively polarized by race after 1964, the year President Lyndon Johnson signed civil rights legislation that his Republican presidential opponent, Barry Goldwater, opposed. Since then, election pollsters estimate, Democratic nominees have averaged 39 percent of the white vote. In last week’s New York Times/CBS News poll, Mr. Obama drew 44 percent support among whites — a higher proportion than Bill Clinton captured in his general election victories.

Analysts ascribe that success to changing racial attitudes, Mr. Obama’s deftness, Republican missteps and the economic crisis. Whatever the cause, when combined with his two-to-one edge among Hispanics and his 10-to-1 edge among blacks, it has given him a national election-eve lead.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/level-of-white-support-for-obama-a-surprise/
 
Lmfao, watched Sarah address the crowd right now. Incoherent as usual.
Asked who she voted for... private decision lol
 
Londo said:
America is ready for a black president. Look at the polls. The idea that America is not ready is put out by desperate Republicans and closet racists.
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Someone pointed out that polls are flawed, they brought a case back in the 80's with a black new york major, people said they would vote when they actually did their true feelings came out and they did not vote for what most people would be a victory.

I hope he wins but i just don't know how many white folk in America will go with a black president. We will find out soon enough though.
 
Canada Free Press writes:

Don’t believe the polls, here’s why

By Yomin Postelnik Tuesday, November 4, 2008


Traveling recently through North Virginia, it was clear that the area is no where near as pro-Obama as the media would have you believe. It reminded me of the CNN reporter in North Carolina who just days before had said on air that while the polls gave Obama an edge in that state, John McCain seemed to have a clear advantage on the ground.

Then there was early voting in Florida. I stood in line for over an hour in left wing Broward County, in what is a very diverse part of it. Broward Republicans only try to carry a third of the vote in the county. If they meet that mark, they know the rest of the state will go well. As such, Republicans and Democrats for McCain here tend to stand quietly when at the polls. This was especially true on that day, as Democratic campaigners for local races worked the polls, being allowed to mingle with voters more than 100 feet from the actual polling station.

During the wait, someone with a certain temporary and minor physical disability pulled up in a car with a McCain bumper sticker. She saw the line and thought of coming back the next day. Several people who had been waiting for over an hour made way for her. No one objected. After she had been escorted into the polling station, a number of them quietly mentioned how they only let her in because of the McCain sticker. Included in these silent McCain enthusiasts were some in very Democratic leaning groups, and I don’t mean Jewish or Catholic.

Our volunteers in Florida are greater in number than the GOP had in 2004. The enthusiasm is there. It may be subtle, but it is widespread. In all, things look good for John McCain.

So what’s happening? Why are the polls wrong?

80% OF THOSE ASKED TO BE POLLED REFUSE TO RESPOND
Now most people who are asked to respond to a poll refuse. But that number has traditionally been about 66%. Most of those are Republican and the increase in that number can be attributed almost exclusively to McCain supporters. When the media portrays a candidate as being hip and labels all kinds of accusations against all who refuse to support him, those who aren’t supportive will be incensed and will rally to vote against him, but they will keep it to themselves.

Many who are phoned also wonder whether the dialer is really a polling firm. They are apprehensive, especially given the heavy handed tactics employed by the Obama campaign and by its supporters (see below).

EXIT POLLS WILL HAVE THIS EFFECT ON AN EVEN WORSE LEVEL

There’s another reason why people are hesitant to answer polls. Obama’s supporters seem especially crazed this year. They are made up of more loud and threatening college activists, wannabe hippees and the like than in any year since ’72. Even during the primaries, there were reports of physical fights between Obama supporters and those who supported Clinton. Add to that the heavy handed tactics that Obama himself has used against opponents (canceling ads on TV stations that pressed Biden, removing reporters for certain news outlets from his campaign jet, his goon squad of prosecutors and sheriffs in Missouri who threatened to go after people or groups who aired ads that they deemed “untrue,” his threat of litigation against TV stations in Pennsylvania for airing negative ads while his campaign busily airs blatantly false ones at the same time, and so on).

This has nothing to do with race. Many of my Black friends, most of whom vote Democrat, have crossed over and an actively supporting McCain. They simply do not believe the hype about Obama, and are offended by it.

America is not racist. If Democrats had nominated Harold Ford, Jr., or anyone else who eschewed the overbearing tactics of the Obama campaign, polling discrepancies would have been no different than in any other election. The rabid support of some Obama supporters, the frenzied pushing past security guards and out of place hero worship is what scares people. This has nothing at all to do with race and to say it does is a tremendous disservice to everyone.

The refusal of McCain supporters to respond to exit polls will have everything to do with the heavy handed tactics of Obama supporters, including the incessant demeanor many of them portray when canvassing neighborhoods and asking people to put up yard signs.

Generally speaking, don’t expect mild people to be tremendously vocal. But do expect them to turn out the vote.

IN THE END WE’LL WIN – EVERYTHING LOOKS THAT WAY ON THE GROUND

In 2004, pretty close to the end, Zogby predicted 311 electoral votes for Kerry. He does not predict anything greater this year for Obama. Exit polls in 2004 were taken in urban areas and were 60% female (there is a gender gap, which should be a factor in honest polling). It was surprising that the real returns differed by only 5.5%. Expect it to be larger this year because of all of the tactics listed above.

The large and unusual amount of McCain supporters I was privileged to witness at early voting were almost all quiet or hushed in their support. Most would probably be apprehensive about announcing their selection in public, which is exactly what you do when responding to an exit poll. Many of these polls are conducted within earshot of voter lines and people worry about a few of the frenzied Obama supporters, like the ones we see shoving past security guards on televised rallies. Many were canvassed by pretty insistent Obama workers and some would just rather avoid any possibility of an argument. For these reasons, exit polls will be meaningless.

As the night goes on, it will be clear that the real votes do not match the polls. John McCain will win. This has nothing to do with race. If one campaign has student activists/other activist types and puts them at the forefront, the public silence, but private opposition, are commonplace. What materializes is not to that campaign’s liking.

We will pray and do everything we can to ensure that the better candidate prevails. And on the ground, the situation is the exact opposite of how the media’s portraying it. John McCain is winning.
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McCain can easily take Florida and Ohio (1% and 2% points to Obama respectively). It'll be so funny if Obama loses despite having overwhelming support from the left-wing media...
 
phenom said:
Barr sounds good, simple classical liberalism, firm capitalism.

Have to ask, what would happen if he lost? Would your vote be worth it?
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Not sure to whom you are referring. Barr is not going to win for sure. Of the other two I like McCain better, but neither Bush nor McCain have been conservatives. Both have been "moderate" pseudo-conservatives and McCain has shafted his party more than once. He has also flip-flopped on a number of key positions such as abortion and man-made climate change (he has since abandoned the horrendous cap-and-trade plan which Obama still espouses), and I believe his stance on Mexican immigration is erroneous.

Plus McCain voted for The Bailout. Screw him. He was never the pick of the Republican party, but was only placed on the ballot by independents and Democrats who voted in the Republican primaries (IMHO).
 
If Ron Paul went 3rd he would have received major support I'm sure but glad he has stood firm as Republican, he may be the last true Republican.
 
Did you see tonight's CNN snippet on campaign expenditure? That irritating Englishman Richard Quest (ex BBC) threw out some amazing figures:

Obama : $1.6 billion

McCain : $924 million

If McCain outspent Obamessiah by nearly $700 million and won, we'd never hear the end of "the Republicans bought the presidency with dirty corporate lobbyist money (filthy capitalist trampling on the workers)". Of course that could never ever ever possibly be true of Obby, could it now. Even with Obamessiah's corporate donations running nearly 2:1 vs McCains he's still portrayed as standing up for the ornery man (except plumbers) against corporate greed and special interests! And you wonder why I'm skeptical of oh-so-conventional views peddled by the mass media.
 
killadoob said:
Someone pointed out that polls are flawed, they brought a case back in the 80's with a black new york major, people said they would vote when they actually did their true feelings came out and they did not vote for what most people would be a victory.

I hope he wins but i just don't know how many white folk in America will go with a black president. We will find out soon enough though.
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What's happened to your typing Killa? Or are these elections that serious! :p

It's pretty much an Obama victory now with Florida and Virginia going Obama.
:D:D:D

(oh and lol at the republicans here down playing an Obama victory. Apparently now if he just wins it'll be a FAIL. Look at how the age groups vote, it should be an indication of future voters preference if you think they'll never win again without a landslide now.)
 
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Obama officially projected to be president elect. Dems will have total control now...
 
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