Please help with Wifi setup of complex...!

[SpoonZA]

Morning Everyone,

The contractors of our complex didnt make provision for Telkom lines. The majority of owners also dont want to dig up all the paving now to install lines to each unit. We will be able to install a telkom line up to the guard house. What do you think is the best solution and easiest to get everyone connected from there? If paving at some areas need to be lifted if wont be a problem (for example to jump the road). Please help!!!

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[Bryn]

You need to disclose a lot more info than that. How many properties would need to connect, how's the elevation, what size area is this etc.

Also, your contractor is retarded.

 

[gjfourie]

Hi.

Just need some clarification. Does each owner get their own line to terminate at guard house, or are you planning on one line to supply wifi to whole complex?

if only one line. Do you know what the max adsl speed available is in your area . I see some QOS in your future. Make sure you are in charge of setting up the rules.....

 

[SpoonZA]

You need to disclose a lot more info than that. How many properties would need to connect, how's the elevation, what size area is this etc.

Also, your contractor is retarded.

Hi Bryn,

I have updated my post. Hope this helps... Let me know if there is more specific details I need to disclose.

Thanks

 

[SpoonZA]

Hi.

Just need some clarification. Does each owner get their own line to terminate at guard house, or are you planning on one line to supply wifi to whole complex?

if only one line. Do you know what the max adsl speed available is in your area . I see some QOS in your future. Make sure you are in charge of setting up the rules.....

Hi GJFourie,

Plan at the moment is that we will only have one line to supply. Maybe later on if the QOS becomes a problem we can request more lines up to guard house and split the load between it somehow? Dont know what the max adsl speed is... I will be in charge of setting everything up.

 

[Johnatan56]

Don't think that will work with WiFi. Best bet would be to dig up pavement and get Telkom to lay down lines.
Also the maximum speed in your area is important.

Hi GJFourie,

Plan at the moment is that we will only have one line to supply. Maybe later on if the QOS becomes a problem we can request more lines up to guard house and split the load between it somehow? Dont know what the max adsl speed is... I will be in charge of setting everything up.

You are going to have ~40 houses on one ADSL line? That is insane.

 

[SpoonZA]

The Board of Trustees said that the owners must use 3G, but the signal isnt very good at our complex on all networks and it is expensive. Not all units want telkom lines so they cant use Body Corporate funds to do it. And it is not worthwhile for individual units to get a contractor to install the lines... They now said that if someone can somehow provide wifi to all and do it on their own expense they are more than welcome to...

 

[gjfourie]

The wireless setup is not going to be a problem. I use 2 TP-Link TL-WA5210G units at work for that. Your problem is going to be using the internet at dialup speeds at night when everyone gets back from work.

If people are willing to pay I would suggest looking into line bonding.

If that is not an option. Get your won line to guard house and get yourself the two tp-link units and stuff the rest.

 

[SpoonZA]

The wireless setup is not going to be a problem. I use 2 TP-Link TL-WA5210G units at work for that. Your problem is going to be using the internet at dialup speeds at night when everyone gets back from work.

If people are willing to pay I would suggest looking into line bonding.

If that is not an option. Get your won line to guard house and get yourself the two tp-link units and stuff the rest.

Hi GJ,

Do you mind drawing me your recommended equipment setup on the site layout? How much is the line bonding? Although there are 44 units, I doubt all of them will make use of the service... I think at most maybe 20... but I will still need to cover the whole area should they want in the future...

 

[Crystal Web]

Wireless from a single point using a DSL backhaul connection will not work whatsoever. And because the backhaul pipe is likely to be running at capacity at all times, you WILL congest the DSLAM point. You are also going to congest the wireless channels there very quickly and you will have next to zero throughput to every house.

You really need a fibre backhaul connection there, and if you are absolutely sure that wireless is your only option, you are going to need a multipoint solution from the likes of Ruckus or similar. You could always erect a tower in the complex instead which may be your better bet if the topology allows for it. It's a helluva big investment to make for a solution that is really not future proof at all. Your only real solution is to run fibre backhaul into an aggregation node and terminate fibre using a passive optic network into each connected house.

We can assist with this sort of network deployment. It's not as scary as it sounds. If you really, absolutely need wireless instead, then you had better be prepared to have a full-time networking team managing the connectivity.

 

[gjfourie]

Hi GJ,

Do you mind drawing me your recommended equipment setup on the site layout? How much is the line bonding? Although there are 44 units, I doubt all of them will make use of the service... I think at most maybe 20... but I will still need to cover the whole area should they want in the future...

mweb bonded adsl costs: http://www.mwebbusiness.co.za/business-internet/connectivity/bonded-dsl.aspx

I use a 1 to 1 setup. Direct Line of site. There are many good wifi transmitters available and the clever people who do these installations will be able to help you with putting together the simplest most cost effective means of covering that area.


Your problem is going to be what is coming into the complex. It will be like supplying water to the whoe complex with one hose.

What area are you in. Is there a wireless internet provider in you area. I would think that would be the best and cheapest solution.

 

[irBosOtter]

Don't waste time with ADSL or VDSL, rather look at getting fibre to the complex.

 

[Crystal Web]

Two major problems with ADSL: contention at the exchange; complex bonding network setup. You're also going to have to pay your ISP for full IPC + internet breakout costs for the connectivity as no ISP will be prepared to run this on standard accounts, as they will be maxed at all times.

Two major problems with wireless: channel crowding; and complex deployment and management. It's also costly for the right equipment.

Also bear in mind that if you are sharing the ADSL connection and it is deployed in such a manner that each house shares the same ISP IP address, you are going to have massive security issues. What happens when the guy in 3A decides to switch on dodgy porn that he shouldn't be viewing? What you're proposing here is becoming an ISP and it comes with far more responsibilities and complexities than it may initially appear on the surface.

Your due diligence should involve fibre and wireless feasibility, and a focus on provisioning, management, and planning as well.

 

[envo]

Wireless from a single point using a DSL backhaul connection will not work whatsoever. And because the backhaul pipe is likely to be running at capacity at all times, you WILL congest the DSLAM point. You are also going to congest the wireless channels there very quickly and you will have next to zero throughput to every house.

You really need a fibre backhaul connection there, and if you are absolutely sure that wireless is your only option, you are going to need a multipoint solution from the likes of Ruckus or similar. You could always erect a tower in the complex instead which may be your better bet if the topology allows for it. It's a helluva big investment to make for a solution that is really not future proof at all. Your only real solution is to run fibre backhaul into an aggregation node and terminate fibre using a passive optic network into each connected house.

We can assist with this sort of network deployment. It's not as scary as it sounds. If you really, absolutely need wireless instead, then you had better be prepared to have a full-time networking team managing the connectivity.

I know of at least 3 WISP's that uses ADSL as their backhaul exclusively. So for 44 houses it's entirely possible.

 

[irBosOtter]

I know of at least 3 WISP's that uses ADSL as their backhaul exclusively. So for 44 houses it's entirely possible.

Really? Name them so that everyone knows which wisps to stay very very far away from.

 

[Sokum]

Firstly, this is your address right "44 Duplex townhouses situated on Girdwood Street in Boskruin, Randburg. All units offer 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, lounge, dining room, modern kitchen, guest loo and double automated garages. All units have pet friendly gardens. Date of completion was 1 July 2013"

Secondly, http://www.randburgfibre.co.za/

 

[Frikkenator]

As Crystal Web said, laying down fibre is usually a lot less scary than you think it's going to be. The whole complex is paved which means it can be easily lifted.

Trust me you do not want to be in charge of this, it sounds alright for now, but it is going to eat a lot of your time. Get someone like Crystal Web or Randburg fibre in to check the feasibility of both fibre and Wi-Fi and let them run with it from there.

 

[Crystal Web]

I know of at least 3 WISP's that uses ADSL as their backhaul exclusively. So for 44 houses it's entirely possible.

As do I. Some have no choice, but that's fast changing. DSL backhaul for WISPs has inherent issues and really is not ideal in a world where fibre is available. We supply backhaul links via ADSL and fibre, so I am aware of WISPs using ADSL, however I'm also aware of its pitfalls, which is what I'm trying to alert the OP about. Imagine running your entire business/connectivity solution over a DSLAM that the moment you pushed 40Mbps constant throughput, the link congested? Affects everyone in the area as well when this happens. Responsible WISPs use fibre backhaul if its possible. It also works out cheaper, and offers a better quality of service.

 

[kianm]

I think OP should listen to Crystalweb here, ADSL is bad enough in a business environment where extra precautions are taken to ensure optimal performance by means of filters to control and monitor traffic. I can only imagine home users will mostly be looking at torrents , streaming etc (which you can block with reason in a workplace) , but you can not expect them to accept being blocked from such at home. Your ADSL line will sink on the first night, a fiber service is what you need and at least there are people willing to help with that

 

[Evonet Management]

Hi SpoonZA

This is exactly what XtremeTTH does. I've got all your details from Crystal Web support and someone will call you later today to dicsuss your options.

Thanks
Evonet Management

Morning Everyone,

The contractors of our complex didnt make provision for Telkom lines. The majority of owners also dont want to dig up all the paving now to install lines to each unit. We will be able to install a telkom line up to the guard house. What do you think is the best solution and easiest to get everyone connected from there? If paving at some areas need to be lifted if wont be a problem (for example to jump the road). Please help!!!