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Police run for dear life
12 May 2008
McKeed Kotlolo

Angry mob bays for cops’ blood

Police had to scale fences as an angry mob bayed for their blood.

When back-up arrived, the crowd had already burnt the cops’ vehicle at Erasmus near Pretoria on Friday night.

Inspector Matthews Nkoadi of Pretoria police said colleagues had rescued a man from the crowd that was assaulting him. The crowd became furious and attacked police vehicles with a variety of missiles.

The police were forced to abandon their vehicle at the scene and fled. The mob justice victim at Erasmus was accused of having robbed another resident at gunpoint about two months ago.

“Police received information about an incident of mob justice where a crowd of about 2 000 people attacked and assaulted a man aged about 30.

Nkoadi said there were no reports of injured police officers nor arrest of any suspects. He, however, said that a public violence docket was opened and investigations were continuing.

He said follow-up investigations revealed that there was no case against the rescued man and he was released.

About the same time, another group of policemen was saving another man from a similar attack at nearby Ga-Rankuwa.

The man, 38, was accused of raping a minor a week ago.

In the incident, about 500 people had surrounded the home of the alleged rapist. Nkoadi said police managed to rescue the man unharmed but the mob turned their anger on the police vehicles, smashing the windows of a Nissan 4X4 bakkie with stones.

The man has been arrested for the alleged rape and is due to appear in the local magistrate’s court today.
 
Seems stories of this nature are becoming common place, could it be that communities are getting tired of the crime spree in SA and have decided to begin fighting back? IMO it is about time, i don't condone taking the law into own hands, but when the police don't do their job what else must a community do? Perhaps the SAPS should look at repairing the old arrmoured police vehicles that are standing and rusting around the country and start using them again.
 
Ady

It is a catch 22 situation, in these cases the police have to defend the suspect as he has not been proven guilty in the eyes of the law.

Very often these cases are used to settle old scores and not to bring criminals to justice.

The community should help the police if we are to catch the criminals since we are not physic


As for the armoured vechile, we still have and use our Caspars and Nyalas
 
Ady

It is a catch 22 situation, in these cases the police have to defend the suspect as he has not been proven guilty in the eyes of the law.

Very often these cases are used to settle old scores and not to bring criminals to justice.

The community should help the police if we are to catch the criminals since we are not physic


As for the armoured vechile, we still have and use our Caspars and Nyalas

I understand what you are saying and i agree with you 100%, but lets face it there are police men and women out there that don't do their job (the opposite is also true where you have police members that work their butts off and do an outstanding job) and it appears like the communities have taken note of this and are now taking the law into their own hands.

There are many Caspars here in Qnt that have creepers (plants) growing over them as they have been standing in one spot for such a long time, thats why i referred to them in general. Perhaps you guys should come down here and take them away so they can be put to better use. Perhaps i can buy one?
 
You are right Ady

You only have to look at this artical on News24

SAPS 'full of criminals'
12/05/2008 13:25 - (SA)

Julian Rademeyer, Beeld

Pretoria - Only 192 police were suspended for "corruption" in the past year - a little over 0.1% of the 137 000-strong police service.

New figures released by police exclusively to Beeld show that overall, 552 policemen were suspended between April 2007 and March 2008 for committing serious crimes. This amounts to 0.4% of the police on our streets.

But independent researchers and criminologists have slammed the statistics saying they indicate the SAPS "doesn't have a clue and doesn't want to have a clue" about the extent of corruption and criminal activity in its ranks. And they have warned that the police force is fast becoming an "organisation of criminals".

'They are in denial'

"One gets tired of hearing about a few bad apples," says Liza Grobler, an independent criminologist whose PhD thesis examined police criminality. "That is absolute rubbish. That is why we have this problem. It is because they refuse to admit there is a problem and the more they are in denial, the less chance we have of anything being rectified. It is hard not to be negative."

Research she has conducted in the Western Cape and interviews with convicted policemen have led her to believe that at least 10% of police are corrupt or criminal but, she says, "that is probably too fair".

Says David Bruce, a senior researcher at the Centre for the Study of Violence, who has conducted extensive studies of policing and police oversight structures: "If the SAPS was a model of integrity, those figures would make sense. But I don't believe it for a moment."

"I think the police is riddled with corruption.

"Management controls are generally weak in the SAPS, there is no systematic approach to corruption and there is no investigative unit looking specifically at corruption."

Many lead double lives

Grobler says many police lead double lives.

"There's the concept of a parallel career. Many policemen have been criminals since their first week. One guy I interviewed got away with everything for 17 years. Except murder, he didn't do murder. He was eventually busted for issuing a fake gun licence but before that he had hijacked, he was running a prostitution ring, he burgled...It's unreal.

"The station where he would work night-shift, there was never a senior officer on duty. The entire night shift staff was rotten and if there was a policeman who wasn't, he'd be worked out.

"If they got a call and they were having a braai or drinks at the back of the station, they just wouldn't go. But if the local gang called on them they would go because that is who was paying them. They were in it together. It was a completely symbiotic relationship."

Eight years ago, the police's Anti-Corruption Unit (ACU) arrested 1 048 police for corruption and obtained 193 convictions. A year later, on the instructions of Police Commissioner Jackie Selebi - who himself now faces charges of corruption and links to organised crime - its staff complement was halved. It was later unceremoniously closed down.

Corruption and Fraud Prevention Plan

But police maintain they are determined to weed out criminality and corruption. The key, they say, is a 30 page Corruption and Fraud Prevention Plan. Three years in the making, it has yet to be fully implemented.

In the document Selebi writes: "The key to combating corruption and fraud in the SAPS is effective supervision of SAPS employees at all levels, but particularly at station level...Corruption and fraud will not be tolerated in this police service and those found guilty...will be dealt with to the full extent of the law and the SAPS Disciplinary Regulations."

Assistant Commissioner George Moorcroft, the police's strategic management head, is at the helm. And his mantra is "prevention, detection, investigation and restoration". For him the fight is about "control-measures", "integrity documents" and "risk assessments".

"We are detecting a lot [of corruption cases], which is a good thing. We are not saying there is more corruption, we are saying more is being detected...We must show corrupt elements that we are taking no nonsense."

Definition of corruption

He says current corruption figures are so much lower than those recorded by the defunct Anti-Corruption Unit because the definition of corruption has narrowed.

"In the past we included all criminal cases under the heading 'corruption-related crimes'. We now have a strict definition of corruption.

"You can also argue that it is low because cases are not reported or it is low because we are doing something about it. We can only look at that when we do an internal survey to determine what is happening."

"It is semantics," says Liza Grobler. "If you want to look at the rottenness, you can include all their crimes into the category of corruption because of the nature of their job and the powers they have. They are not like ordinary criminals."

Moorcroft says that while the figures provided to Beeld provide a "rough" picture of cases over the last year: "I cannot vouch for them...It could be that the systems have more included."

Moorcroft is dismissive of the ACU which carried out 23 000 investigations between 1996 and 2001 and arrested more than 3 200 police before its closure in 2002.

"Nobody liked those guys, they only investigated. There was no prevention. What we did after them, we looked at broadening the strategy. We wanted to prevent corruption so we asked the question: How do we detect corruption?"

Motivating the ACU's closure, police Commissioner Jackie Selebi said its functions were duplicated by the Organised Crime Unit (OCU). Ironically, just before the ACU's demise in early 2002, the head of the OCU in KwaZulu-Natal was convicted on corruption charges stemming from a case built by the ACU.

Says police spokesperson Director Selby Bokaba: "We have been criticised for closing down the Anti-Corruption Unit...but they only investigated. This plan is a departure from the way we did business. We are now looking at all aspects."

Screening, e-docket system helping

Moorcroft says proper screening should begin with recruitment. He says it is working. "We are arresting people in the police college who have fake certificates."

He says a new computerised e-docket system, which is currently being tested, will help prevent docket thefts and disappearances.

"Once a case is registered, you can try and cover up as much as you want...I can guarantee you that once a case has been registered it will be investigated.

Police from different stations will investigate each other in a bid to thwart the police trying to cover for one another.

"If a case of corruption happens at, for example, Hillbrow, then people from Vereeniging will go and investigate."

Moorcroft says the police Crime Intelligence has a desk dedicated to investigating corruption and sees no need for a specialist unit to tackle the problem.

Bokaba says such a unit would be a drain on resources.

"With such high levels of crime in the country and the limited capacity we have, do you want us to slash that capacity to concentrate on looking for corruption?"

According to Moorcroft, national, provincial and stations heads will have the Prevention Plan written into their performance agreements and will be assessed on how they conduct corruption and fraud risk assessments in their departments and ensure cases are effectively investigated and monitored. And it will become part of their overall operational plans.

Moorcroft said all 1 150 police station commissioners would be trained in the implementation of the plan by July this year. So far about 300 have been trained.

Implementation

David Bruce says part of the problem with plans like this are that they are "often used as a way of pretending to the world that something is being done about the problem".

Implementation, he says, is another matter. And without a dedicated anti-corruption unit the plan will be toothless.

But Moorcroft is determined the plan will be a success. "It is all about service delivery. Why are we doing this" Because we know there are cases of corruption and we will not take nonsense."

Grobler says she has "never heard anything more ridiculous" than the SAPS plan for police to police each other.

"It is a crazy, crazy concept that is completely against any international norm and international best practice. New York and London all have separate, removed investigation units. It is the only way you can do it.

"We don't have any sort of strategy and they [ the police] are not interested in devising one properly or implementing one."

'They will kill you broer'

For the police the consequences of reporting corruption are cause for real fear.

In February the State's case against police officials accused of stealing more than R100m from the Benoni police station safe collapsed after four key witnesses, including a policeman, were systematically murdered.

In January, a woman who was due to testify against two allegedly corrupt Booysens policemen was shot dead.

"They will kill you broer, they will kill you," one senior police official confided. "People close ranks, that is the problem. It is something that has been going on for years, ever since the police existed."

They need to weed out all these scum

We also have a few caspars at the police garage that are in a bad way, but they are gradually fixing them up.

I would love to by one and kit it out as a camper van, then I could go anywhere I want.

Taxis beware :D
 
My whole salary can go to filling the fuel tank of the monster. I would rule the road! Imagine some poor dude in his little Tata looking in his rearview mirror and seeing this huge Caspar behind him. :)
 
Seems stories of this nature are becoming common place, could it be that communities are getting tired of the crime spree in SA and have decided to begin fighting back? IMO it is about time, i don't condone taking the law into own hands, but when the police don't do their job what else must a community do? Perhaps the SAPS should look at repairing the old arrmoured police vehicles that are standing and rusting around the country and start using them again.
Agreed.
 
There is another story about 2 okes who were recently killed by mobs for being "foreigners who take away jobs"...then it turns out they were SA dudes.

That just shows that these mobs are slightly scary. I'm sure if 10 people surround a guy and start shouting "rapist" loudly then there will be 100 people within a short time and all of them will be after they guys head.

It also sounds like the police tried to rescue the dude with too few people & then go caught in a nasty situation. Understaffed?
 
Automatic rifles and riot shotguns should solve most of the police's problems when faced with such a situation. IMO the police need to take a real hard no tolerance stand with a mob like this. The SAPS has a duty to protect the greater community at large.
 
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