Poll shows DA support is in the doldrums

In other news, water is wet.

The whole H&M Jungle debarcle, the CT water issue, the KZN Muslim chick declaring jihad, and and and.
 
rietrot said:
Not really a shift in policy but more Miamane trying to aplease the ANC twitter trolls and playing identity politics. They should just stick to their clasical liberal ideals then all will be well.
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How is that different from what they were doing before? The DA is built on identity politics, don't you remember all the branding they did over the years specifically to attract the 'coloured' vote in the WC? I see no difference except the leader is now black and, having secured the coloured vote they are now focusing their branding on securing the black vote. I see no real change or substantial move away from surface branding and identity politics.
 
C4Cat said:
How is that different from what they were doing before? The DA is built on identity politics, don't you remember all the branding they did over the years specifically to attract the 'coloured' vote in the WC? I see no difference except the leader is now black and, having secured the coloured vote they are now focusing their branding on securing the black vote. I see no real change or substantial move away from surface branding and identity politics.
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Indeed.
 
C4Cat said:
What shift in policy?
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With Mmusi in charge they have been creeping towards the SJW politics than politics espousing individual liberty.

The DA has been widely criticised for its views on affirmative action. In 2005 the party’s federal council adopted a position to reject “any system or policy that allows the state to grant rights and privileges to one group on the basis of ethnic or racial nationalism”. In 2014, under Zille’s leadership, the party trod carefully, saying it supported affirmative action but rejected race-based quota systems. It preferred “diversity targets”.

It is only recently that the party has started to use bolder language about affirmative action, with some party leaders openly questioning issues of transformation — even in the DA’s own ranks.

Now Maimane says that the party is pro-affirmative action. “Affirmative action is something the DA supports. We’ve maintained that affirmative action works this way: if there are two candidates of different races and they appear for the job, pick the black one. We will support it; we wouldn’t abandon the policy.”
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That is a policy shift towards collectivism and away from individual liberty.
 
C4Cat said:
How is that different from what they were doing before? The DA is built on identity politics, don't you remember all the branding they did over the years specifically to attract the 'coloured' vote in the WC? I see no difference except the leader is now black and, having secured the coloured vote they are now focusing their branding on securing the black vote. I see no real change or substantial move away from surface branding and identity politics.
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Did they do this by creating policies that specifically target coloured people at the exclusion of others? Or did they do it by creating policies based on shared principles that coloureds are more likely to have with white people?
 
evilstebunny said:
It's Maimane, although he's better than 99. 9% of ANC politicians there's something indescribable.. fishy, slimy, off-putting about him.

Bring Zille back, she has fire & believed in stuff, unlike the squid they were forced to replaced her with..
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Indeed - she will bring back the traditional voters.
 
C4Cat said:
How is that different from what they were doing before? The DA is built on identity politics, don't you remember all the branding they did over the years specifically to attract the 'coloured' vote in the WC? I see no difference except the leader is now black and, having secured the coloured vote they are now focusing their branding on securing the black vote. I see no real change or substantial move away from surface branding and identity politics.
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I just view them in the past as trying a bit to hard to be all inclusive. That was still fine. That attracted the coloured vote and the vote of "clever blacks"

Now they're going to the extreme trying to match the EFF, that will cost them a lot of votes from all the above groups.

They also have to set clear policy goals because all they got going for them at the moment is that they are less corrupt(Ramaphosa fixes this for some people) and not the ANC.

I will probably still vote for them. Just because there is no real alternative and we need as much votes as possible against the ANC and EFF.
 
rietrot said:
I just view them in the past as trying a bit to hard to be all inclusive. That was still fine. That attracted the coloured vote and the vote of "clever blacks"

Now they're going to the extreme trying to match the EFF, that will cost them a lot of votes from all the above groups.
They also have to set clear policy goals because all they got going for them at the moment is that they are less corrupt(Ramaphosa fixes this for some people) and not the ANC.

I will probably still vote for them. Just because there is no real alternative and we need as much votes as possible against the ANC and EFF.
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Which one extreme can you list?
 
Fifty years from now, when the history books all have a chapter on how the ANC destroyed this country, one paragraph will be devoted to how the opposition couldn't get their s#@t together.
 
LazyLion said:
Fifty years from now, when the history books all have a chapter on how the ANC destroyed this country, one paragraph will be devoted to how the opposition couldn't get their s#@t together.
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The history books will blame the whites and apartheid.
 
konfab said:
Did they do this by creating policies that specifically target coloured people at the exclusion of others? Or did they do it by creating policies based on shared principles that coloureds are more likely to have with white people?
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They did it through branding and the integration of the ID/Patricia de Lille
 
IMO, for years the DA has centered their campaigns on Zuma the man and not the entire rotted ANC. It's going to be quite difficult after years of "stop Zuma", remove Zuma, etc to turn around and say, actually its the ANC all along that's the problem.

They have tons of spin doctors though, I am sure they will find something. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen.
 
Perhaps they shouldn't spam their constituents with phone calls and SMS's.
 
konfab said:
With Mmusi in charge they have been creeping towards the SJW politics than politics espousing individual liberty.



That is a policy shift towards collectivism and away from individual liberty.
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Ok I agree with this, but to me it's still all about image for them. I'm not sure their actual policy documents have been updated, it's more about branding, how they appear to the group they are trying to attract.
 
Maimane and his support for a dominionist, exceptionalist Christian freakshow turned me away from the DA.

No way I'd vote for them now.
 
thechamp said:
Which one extreme can you list?
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The silly pretent fight with Zille for example, just because some people on twitter was upset that se used the word colonialism.
They had the opportunity to either educate people on the past or go complete anti-history and take some decisive action against her.
In the end they had a lame commission to investigate the matter and gave her a slap on the wrist. Pretending to aplease the angry ANC twitter trolls, but not really doing anything.

After writing this I realised that "extreme" was the wrong word choice more like lame. They have become lame trying to aplease everyone, to the point were they don't stand for anything.
 
I blame Maimane for this. And no I don't advocate for the return of Zille; the DA have Mashaba and Msimanga, and Trollip in a pinch.

Mmusi was a mistake, an attempt by the DA to appear progressive to Black voters on the fence whilst still appealing to the usual White voter as they subtly punted his white spouse. Political commentators called him hollow (Tom Eaton) and without substance, driven primarily by his own personal morals. ANC benches continuously heckle him - who can forget Zuma's mimicking of Mmusi's 'broken President' speech which had other opposition benches chuckling - but display respect when the likes of Steenhuisen speaks.
 
By election in PE's ward 1 yesterday where the DA had fired the previous councillor.

DA won and upped the majority to 92%.
 
MickeyD said:
By election in PE's ward 1 yesterday where the DA had fired the previous councillor.

DA won and upped the majority to 92%.
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I'm confident the DA will increase in the metros they rule. The rest of the country they will fall flat on their faces.
 
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