Polo~ The Mint with the Hole

I like the way they don't mention 1.2L once in the entire 4 page leaflet.
 
simm_card said:
That 1.2 is better and faster than my 2013 1.6 comfortline. I test drove it last Saturday.
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True; no mention of have being a 1.2. Prob cos SA Public can't fathom "so much money for a tiny 1.2" mindset...

Even though the f/lift is very very minor on the outside I like the tech; new engines underneath; infotainment across the range & ESP & of course *finally* a standard (measly) service plan.
 
simm_card said:
That 1.2 is better and faster than my 2013 1.6 comfortline. I test drove it last Saturday.
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I don't doubt that.

It's probably more powerful, more fuel efficient, and will produce less emissions.

VWSA have a history of putting pos old engines in the Polo here.

In SA the public will happily buy a new Polo with that same 1.6 engine that came in a city golf.
 
DanH said:
I don't doubt that.

It's probably more powerful, more fuel efficient, and will produce less emissions.

VWSA have a history of putting pos old engines in the Polo here.

In SA the public will happily buy a new Polo with that same 1.6 engine that came in a city golf.
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Pity that you didn't check your facts before you wrote this. :)
 
Fazda said:
Pity that you didn't check your facts before you wrote this. :)
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77kw to 81kw is more powerful and they are now Euro5 compliant which one would assume entails less emissions and greater economy.

While the Polo interiors, build quality aswell as exterior design has been class leading/close to class leading, their ordinary petrol engines have been the low point of the polo package up until now. Am I missing something?
 
DanH said:
77kw to 81kw is more powerful and they are now Euro5 compliant which one would assume entails less emissions and greater economy.

While the Polo interiors, build quality aswell as exterior design has been class leading/close to class leading, their ordinary petrol engines have been the low point of the polo package up until now. Am I missing something?
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Yes you are, the fact that it no longer comes with the 1.6 that was fitted to the Citi Golf. :)
 
Fazda said:
Yes you are, the fact that it no longer comes with the 1.6 that was fitted to the Citi Golf. :)
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But he's not wrong in the sentiment, a fair number of consumers will buy a car with a 1.6 motor over a 1.2 purely because of the size of the motor. (regardless of the technology, output etc of each motor)
 
ToxicBunny said:
But he's not wrong in the sentiment, a fair number of consumers will buy a car with a 1.6 motor over a 1.2 purely because of the size of the motor. (regardless of the technology, output etc of each motor)
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Yes, that's true, I was simply pointing out that VW has moved on from the Citi Golf technology, however. :)

As for this SA obsession with size, I never cease to be amazed at the total lack of reasoning/comprehension of some people.
 
Fazda said:
Yes, that's true, I was simply pointing out that VW has moved on from the Citi Golf technology, however. :)

As for this SA obsession with size, I never cease to be amazed at the total lack of reasoning/comprehension of some people.
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It does baffle me as well...

*Hides my ridiculous large 2.5TD DC away whilst making that statement*
 
Haha. I didn't mean that the current 1.6 polo has the city golf motor, merely that if it did, the SA public would still buy it. Even if the 1.6 had a carburettor fitted, a large portion of the SA public would still buy it too.
 
DanH said:
Haha. I didn't mean that the current 1.6 polo has the city golf motor, merely that if it did, the SA public would still buy it. Even if the 1.6 had a carburettor fitted, a large portion of the SA public would still buy it too.
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The "new" 1.2TSI has been available for some time and the "old" 1.6 engine was never released for European markets - only South Africa (and probably other third world countries). The Polo Mk4 was the last Polo available in Europe with a 1.6l engine.

So they could have brought the 1.2TSI here ages ago. They could have had it from the beginning.

It just shows you what competition does. VW released a facelift that was cheaper than the outgoing model, has new, more efficient engines, and a new interior, and a service plan, all while the exchange rate and inflation have made other cars more expensive. I think the i20, Kia Rio and Fiesta are providing fierce competition for them.
 
Fazda said:
As for this SA obsession with size, I never cease to be amazed at the total lack of reasoning/comprehension of some people.
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We have nothing on those Muricans though...
 
Ancalagon said:
The "new" 1.2TSI has been available for some time and the "old" 1.6 engine was never released for European markets - only South Africa (and probably other third world countries). The Polo Mk4 was the last Polo available in Europe with a 1.6l engine.

So they could have brought the 1.2TSI here ages ago. They could have had it from the beginning.

It just shows you what competition does. VW released a facelift that was cheaper than the outgoing model, has new, more efficient engines, and a new interior, and a service plan, all while the exchange rate and inflation have made other cars more expensive. I think the i20, Kia Rio and Fiesta are providing fierce competition for them.
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Yeah. It's disgusting. But that's the way large corporates work. Provide as little as the clients are willing to accept for as much as they willing to pay...similar to Vodacom and the likes.

VW tends to market and appeal to people who are more impressed by image than substance imo.
 
So out of curiosity, what is the reliability like on a 1.2l turbo charged engine?

Both on the short term (within warranty) and long term (8+ years)?

I am making no claims here and not asking for heresy, are there any facts about it either way?

Turbo charged engines have more parts and run closer to tolerance so the failure rate and lifetime should be shorted but better manufacturing could counteract it to some degree.

I'm curious if there is some information out there that shows the 50th (what most customers would see) and 90th percentile (typically the worse off customers) when it comes to failures of these engines vs N/A.
 
Gnome said:
So out of curiosity, what is the reliability like on a 1.2l turbo charged engine?

Both on the short term (within warranty) and long term (8+ years)?

I am making no claims here and not asking for heresy, are there any facts about it either way?

Turbo charged engines have more parts and run closer to tolerance so the failure rate and lifetime should be shorted but better manufacturing could counteract it to some degree.

I'm curious if there is some information out there that shows the 50th (what most customers would see) and 90th percentile (typically the worse off customers) when it comes to failures of these engines vs N/A.
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This 1.2 TSI was released 4 or 5 years ago. Going to be difficult to give you 8+ years reliability figures... 1.4 TSI was release 8 or 9 years ago however. If there was any serious issues with reliability, I'm sure there would have been more noise about it on the internet. It won awards over the years and seems to be standing the test of time.
 
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