Porn Crackdown

[Highflyer_GP]

Says an anti christian with lack of morals.

Yeah and we all know how moral christianity is

 

[supersunbird]

Says an anti christian with lack of morals.

he has a point, how many people have been killed because of porn compared to religion?

 

[pupa]

Simple minds need simple statements! He wants to ban religion and agree with free available porn. No wonder he is an anti christ!

 

[icyrus]

Simple minds need simple statements! He wants to ban religion and agree with free available porn. No wonder he is an anti christ!

It was a joke to highlight the absurdity of the people calling for a ban on porn point of view. I couldn't care if people worship their imaginary friends. They're free to do it.

And by the way, I'm no more anti-christ than I am anti-mohammed, anti-abraham or anti-flying-spaghetti-monster.

 

[nthdimension]

Only in a vacuum? Where does this fit in with the discussion? Who lives in a vacuum these days? It is inevitable that children will be exposed to the public. Immediate surroundings depends on where you want to draw the border.

You are making some real gross assumptions here, as far as I am concerned. I would actually like to see some reports about this "learn violence from their parents and immediate surroundings"-business.
You make it sound like every home has spousal abuse going on...

No one has mentioned sex education or argued against it. In fact I have even posted earlier about Parental Guidance.

I alleged no such thing!! Did I mention media? I think not. You are the one that started bringing up the media card.

I'll bite too then since I've been watching the progress - is pornography not media? is television not media? The media was raised early, obviously, and it is an important bone of contention because it does always seem to be an easy target for blame. How much control should a government be given? Are they really qualified to be deciding for us what is and is not appropriate in the media?

I can't see why you're arguing against on the point of media influence in a vacuum. They're stating that the media could only be the sole source of your child's outlook in a vacuum. It doesn't even seem reasonable to assume that the media influence could totally obscure influence from the real world.

Researchers normally view immediate surroundings as, in decreasing order of importance, the home, the community surrounding the home, then school, the overall society, etc.

Actually it is really your responsibility to prove harm if you claim that it exists. Can you prove that a child merely seeing violent movies will become violent, injure and kill people?

I don't really see anywhere that anyone said every home has spousal abuse. It is commonly found that children from violent homes are likely to be violent. So chances are if a child is violent or a sexual predator this started from influences in their home not because the media turned them into a monster.

I guess you can't see pupa's output. Specifically attacking sex education in my opinion. No need to keep rolling those eyes.

Said no such thing. Of course children were harmed by It. Darn psycho clown monster thing!

 

[mancombseepgood]

Keep it in context noxi

You have a way of letting your imagination run wild...

And you believe that sex is harmful?

There are many people who freak out about their children seeing nudity, at the beach, in movies, etc. This implies that they think it harmful to their children (which is a pretty warped view).

Nudity and porn are not the same thing (again).

 

[nthdimension]

Nudity and porn are not the same thing (again).

The classification is indeed blurred. Some will consider that nudity should be classified as such.

Anyway I don't see that Noxibox was stating that they are the same thing. I did see an earlier poster talking about the evils of nudity (something about it only having a low age restriction).

 

[noxibox]

and here you turn yourself around.... you were implying that children were not being harmed tho

Totally missed the joke I'm afraid

 

[mancombseepgood]

I guess you can't see pupa's output. Specifically attacking sex education in my opinion.

This thread is about porn, not sex education.
Personally I would trust my 17 years as a parent before I took anyone else's opinion on this board, but of course you can voice your opinion.

 

[lilDeath]

I'll bite too then since I've been watching the progress - is pornography not media? is television not media? The media was raised early, obviously, and it is an important bone of contention because it does always seem to be an easy target for blame. How much control should a government be given? Are they really qualified to be deciding for us what is and is not appropriate in the media?

I can't see why you're arguing against on the point of media influence in a vacuum. They're stating that the media could only be the sole source of your child's outlook in a vacuum. It doesn't even seem reasonable to assume that the media influence could totally obscure influence from the real world.

Researchers normally view immediate surroundings as, in decreasing order of importance, the home, the community surrounding the home, then school, the overall society, etc.

Actually it is really your responsibility to prove harm if you claim that it exists. Can you prove that a child merely seeing violent movies will become violent, injure and kill people?

I don't really see anywhere that anyone said every home has spousal abuse. It is commonly found that children from violent homes are likely to be violent. So chances are if a child is violent or a sexual predator this started from influences in their home not because the media turned them into a monster.

I guess you can't see pupa's output. Specifically attacking sex education in my opinion. No need to keep rolling those eyes.

Another one that hears voices???
Not going to say much in this post because I am really interested to see what you are going to come up with next ... completely off-topic btw and still veering off course, but nevertheless still entertaining

 

[w1z4rd]

You dont want your kids visiting porn sites, okay, fine, thats what you want, because you believe its best for you.

If we are going to use that type of logical system, then I want a ban on all religious websites. Do you have any idea how much sex and violence there is in religious texts?!?!?!!?!?!?!

If we are banning the porn lets ban all the religious sites as well. If you dont want certain content on the web, then everyone else has the right to not have content they dont believe is right for them or their community on the net.

Where does it end?

 

[nthdimension]

completely off-topic btw and still veering off course

Believe whatever you like in your fantasy world. It is pretty obvious that you're not willing to respond to valid points raised. And yes this is totally within the topic.

 

[nthdimension]

This thread is about porn, not sex education.

What part of "it is was brought up as an evil" - apparently one due to pornography being allowed to exist - is difficult to understand? Sorry if this is all going over your head.

 

[lilDeath]

You are not close to being long enough on this forum to know the different forum members and to further insult others intelligence with your snide remarks.

Thus far, I consider none of your posts to be valid or worthwhile of my effort, hence me not responding.

 

[nthdimension]

Parental guidance????? there is nudity and sex rated at 12 and violence rated at 18, So how do you think this would help. We have low intellects, that as ethnic culture marry 12 year olds, making these decisions! If I have to put the parental control on 12 then I can just as well chuck the TV out! Anyway my kids have principles and free choice, thus I do not have much of a problem as protecting the kids at home but at school they see and get porn and get taught to have protected sex at 12. So you teach them they can get what they want elsewhere while if you teach them morals then they make their own, hopefully good, choices!

Q'est quel dit?

 

[mancombseepgood]

Please

Do you have any idea how much sex and violence there is in religious texts?!?!?!!?!?!?!

Please enlighten us

 

[pupa]

It was a joke to highlight the absurdity of the people calling for a ban on porn point of view. I couldn't care if people worship their imaginary friends. They're free to do it.

And by the way, I'm no more anti-christ than I am anti-mohammed, anti-abraham or anti-flying-spaghetti-monster.

May peace be upon You

 

[LoneGunman]

As regards the rather funny idea about someone not knowing how much sex and violence there is in the Bible (ie: they've clearly never read the book - or if they have, have somehow made the violence seem to be 'justified' to themselves..)
have a look at http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=691682#post691682

I'm sure a quite rapid search on Google for 'sex and the Bible' - will reveal a vast juicy collection of vile and disgusting behaviours, that are quietly ignored by generations of sermonising preachers and sunday school teachers. The collection of old writings, assembled by committee, and known popularly as 'The Bible' - is not a very peaceful, or gentle book, as a whole - and is only barely palatable for children by the careful avoidance of mentioning the harsher elements in it..

 

[mancombseepgood]

Ha ha

As regards the rather funny idea about someone not knowing how much sex and violence there is in the Bible (ie: they've clearly never read the book - or if they have, have somehow made the violence seem to be 'justified' to themselves..)
have a look at http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=691682#post691682

I'm sure a quite rapid search on Google for 'sex and the Bible' - will reveal a vast juicy collection of vile and disgusting behaviours, that are quietly ignored by generations of sermonising preachers and sunday school teachers. The collection of old writings, assembled by committee, and known popularly as 'The Bible' - is not a very peaceful, or gentle book, as a whole - and is only barely palatable for children by the careful avoidance of mentioning the harsher elements in it..

Funny thing is that prolly no one really pays attention to it - it's not like it's been agressively pushed through the MEDIA or anything.
Do you really worry about your kids turning on the telly and getting religious?
Funny.

Start your own fear of religion thread if you want to.
"The moral implications of children being exposed to religion"

 

[Kompete]

Wow, this is a rather heated thread...i'm scared even to share my 2c worth

But I think everyone here agrees that child porn (even scared to type it) is a no-no, but then disagrees on the extent/methods used to prevent it from being published/accessed via internet

Then for some reason the debate veered off to discuss the merits of adult porn, religion, personal attacks (some funny ones too ), and so on

Besides teaching kids about the birds and bees, the diff between right and wrong, and then using netnanny to filter out 'harmfull' content when I'm not watching over their shoulder...I dont know if there's anything else I can do to 'protect/prepare' them

For the peeps publishing/accessing the stuff (child porn); well I think they should be hunted down and castrated; but done in such a way that it doesnt interfere with my rights/freedoms [how they do this I dont know]