Porn Crackdown

[Omac]

My wife and I have had the same "relationship problem" for 15 year.

Stop being silly.

 

[lilDeath]

Ag shame - men who haven't discovered True Love.

Thx kilo39, I needed that laugh!

 

[ajax]

Any man - looking at porn - while in a relationship - has got a relationship problem - not a porn problem.

How does that differ from a man (in a relationship) who gambles himself into bankruptcy?
Or a man (in a relationship) who drinks himself into liver failure?
Do the above also have "relationship problems"?

But actually, kilo39, funny I actually agree with you, now that I've posted the previous paragraph. Healthy relationships with everyone should give one enough fulfillment and satisfaction to not want to get into any addictions.

 

[noxibox]

The voting public should decide the greater good

Ah, four wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner then?

This in a society where kids are regularly murdered and raped due to the ineffectiveness of this government, their laws and their promotion of tribal sexual hacks in pursuit of a cure beyond garlic and potatoes - but lets employ lots of people to surf for internet porn.

But there are people who are convinced that pornography leads directly to rape, among other heinous crimes. According their view of the world there'd be no child molestation, rape or even apparently serial killers if there was no pornography. Luckily for their worldview pornography is not going anywhere. If it was to disappear they'd have to start making up some other excuse for crimes. No doubt something else of which they disapprove.

There are many areas where freedom is being attacked. Some areas where we are still fighting for people's right to free choice.

Healthy relationships with everyone should give one enough fulfillment and satisfaction to not want to get into any addictions.

Most people do not get addicted to their choices of entertainment.

 

[Omac]

How does that differ from a man (in a relationship) who gambles himself into bankruptcy?
Or a man (in a relationship) who drinks himself into liver failure?
Do the above also have "relationship problems"?

But actually, kilo39, funny I actually agree with you, now that I've posted the previous paragraph. Healthy relationships with everyone should give one enough fulfillment and satisfaction to not want to get into any addictions.

Here someone who knows their mind suggesting they know what a healthy relationship is.

addiction

Do you think before you post???

 

[supersunbird]

I havent found the right (or even halfway right girl) so leave my damn porn alone.

 

[Omac]

I havent found the right (or even halfway right girl) so leave my damn porn alone.

lol Yes sir! (or ma'am)

 

[mancombseepgood]

lol

I don't have a problem with them implementing this if it relates to kiddie porn. But to crack down on adults from viewing adult porn is lame, everybody has a right to wank, or at the very least learn some new ideas and moves to practise with their lady friend Nobody has a right to impose on another persons right to freedom.

New ideas?
Man... life's boring for some
For some it's just the thrill of being naughty... never got over it when they were young.

 

[lilDeath]

Here someone who knows their mind suggesting they know what a healthy relationship is.

addiction

Do you think before you post???

..hehe
I almost thought his post was good but then it went all pear-shaped.

oh well...

/picks up Kama Sutra 101

 

[Nab]

What if you watch porn with ur girlfriend?

 

[nocilah]

okay i have read through this entire thread (actually i haven't)
and all i can say is there is NOTHING wrong with porn. erhm... except the porn with hairy dudes called bruno...

 

[Vrotappel]

okay i have read through this entire thread (actually i haven't)
and all i can say is there is NOTHING wrong with porn. erhm... except the porn with hairy dudes called bruno...

LOL! But who in his right mind will host porn websites in SA? Telkom's bandwith costs and capping regime is the most effective form of cencorism known in this galaxy.

 

[LifelongGamer]

Oh, so it is not a big we-must-control-everything-the-people-see-and-do authoritarian mentality? (usualy hidden behind screens like religion, threat-of-terrorism, to-protect-the-children)

... Don't forget: 'South African Tsunami Protection Fund' AKA Government's shares in Telkom, Neotel and Sentech.

/Back on Topic/

It's very clear there are strong feelings on both sides of this issue. The problem, however, is not whether we need Big Brother to control what we have access to or not. The problem is the incompetence of those given the power / ability to actually restrict citizen's behaviour for their own benefit. I'm not defending either view, but just hear me out.

The FPB's role has declined over recent years and it stands to reason they want to protect their jobs and since the rest of government seems to be on the take ... why not join in? Right!

"Content analysts will be employed to sit every day on the Internet and trace people who are putting this pornographic material out there, and especially to identify websites containing child abuse material... Our main objective is to protect children from harmful content."

This is a very noble goal. Every country should do it's utmost to protect children. This will also create some jobs so it's a positive thing. South Africa cannot control what gets hosted internationally so we should do whatever we can on the local front ... within reason.

According to the law, the distribution of "adult material" that has not been classified and licensed by the Board is in contravention of Section 24 of the Film and Publications Act.

This has a strong connotation of protecting the FPB's interests and not so much for the public's good. Government looking for more left-wing control?

"In view of a number of complaints from the public regarding the distribution and exhibition of materials containing depictions, descriptions or sequences of sexual conduct via the Internet, by mail order and through mobile cellular phones, the Board advises the SA Police Service to investigate and charge any person using [the] above-mentioned media for distribution of films, interactive computer games or publications, which have either not been classified by the Board or classified XX or X18,"

Now this is getting to the critical issue. Is the SAPS going to 'investigate' and 'charge' school kids that take photos / video clips on their cellphones and spread them via Bluetooth? Good luck to them if they even bother to try. News Articles of this very thing happening more frequently is what started a lot of the fuss around adult content in recent times. According to the article's definition, these kids are all 'distributors' so what can the law do to minors? Lock them up and fine the parents?

"The minute you distribute pornographic material, you are called a distributor," said Makoela.

As far as 'films, interactive computer games or publications' goes ... there's very little locally produced stuff of this nature that I'm aware of. A lot, I imagine, would as legal / illegal imports and is a problem for Customs and Excise not the FPB ... unless the FPB is planning on building the "Great Censorship Wall of South Africa" and screen content from the rest of the world like China does.

There are some unsavoury individuals out there that does pose a risk. In my view, though, better methods of protecting minors can be imployed without infringing on the rights of consenting adults. The FPB in conjunction with ICASA (assuming they don't botch it up) can make it a mandatory condition of providing services that all service providers (Internet / cellular / broadband) install Content Filtering software on the Provider side to block all adult content. Adults passing the AVS will then be given a special passkey which they will need to use to gain access to mature content should they so wish but would prevent minors from doing so (unless the parents are irresponsible and give the passkeys to their kids). As an added measure, the parents can install client-side Content Filtering such as CyberPatrol / Net Nanny / or even the freeware Naomi.

It doesn't solve the issue of using cellphones directly (ie. taking photos / videos and sharing via Bluetooth) but that isn't being addressed with the current plan either.

This compromise should satisfy most people while ensuring the safety of children, which should be the main priority (and not profiteering / job security). That said, I find the following mind-boggling:

"In so far as posting sexual pictures of oneself on the Internet is concerned, the question that must be asked is whether or not the pictures are being posted so as to be made available to any person who wishes to access such pictures.

"If that is the case, then that would amount to distribution and that would be illegal.

This is a blatant infringement on Freedom of Expression. Who is the FPB to decide it's illegal for people around the globe that want to share explicit images of themselves with like-minded individuals? Provided such content is provided via secure portals requiring Adult Verification, children should not be exposed and even those that posted incorrectly would be blocked if Content Filters are used. If this stance is taken seriously, the next step will be to make it illegal for Star Trek fans to dress up as aliens and post their images on the internet as well ... where does the line end?

To conclude, there are issues which should be addressed. Address them in the correct manner through consultation with the informed public and not through unilateral dictatorship-style policies. The FPB should start thinking and become knowledgeable in how to do their job properly instead of causing trouble over hot-topics. First ICASA not being competent and now the FPB. Then the joke that's our Health Care attitude towards HIV/AIDS. Not to mention the crisis of Saftey and Security in SA. I shudder to think what's next.

 

[pupa]

"Content analysts will be employed to sit every day on the Internet and trace people who are putting this pornographic material out there, and especially to identify websites containing child abuse material... Our main objective is to protect children from harmful content."

THEN Remove the daily porn from DSTV and ETV and the children will be more protected FOOLS!

 

[mancombseepgood]

One of the funniest things I saw was an open home wireless network in Fishoek... No I wasn't hacking, but my PC just wouldn't latch onto my friends setup which had the same default SSID. I could tell you where, but that would spoil it...
Some older guy and his young wife playing with each other all over their hard drive... seems they are members of a swingers club hosted in SA...
I just get the feeling she was in it for the jacuzzi and money and not his ding-a-ling.

Women think differently to men. When you are married long enough you learn that. Those that play along with the fantasies often do it to please their men. Try a different approach - try pampering her without getting too physical - peppermint oil massage comes to mind after a romantic candle lit bath, etc. You may just find that she is so turned on that you don't have to try anything too radical to enjoy yourself... after all, there's no more turn on than a turned on woman.
Oh - doing the dishes before the bath also helps!

 

[mancombseepgood]

I must agree

THEN Remove the daily porn from DSTV and ETV and the children will be more protected FOOLS!

Why is everyone so reluctant to have their own (for example) pay for or register for porn channel. They are reluctant to sign up etc. etc. Says something about how they feel about being public on their preferences.
Anyhow...
All the talk about protecting the children and all the reluctance to make it a simple job... seems some think there is just too much to lose by protecting them.

 

[lilDeath]

What if you watch porn with ur girlfriend?

would you have it any other way???

THEN Remove the daily porn from DSTV and ETV and the children will be more protected FOOLS!

Parental Guidance

 

[lilDeath]

okay i have read through this entire thread (actually i haven't)
and all i can say is there is NOTHING wrong with porn. erhm... except the porn with hairy dudes called bruno...

again you and this bruno character...
wanna share summin with the rest of the group

 

[mancombseepgood]

U a parent?

would you have it any other way???


Parental Guidance

Just wondering how much parenting experience you have...
Parental guidance... he he
We do all we can, but have a hard time when the freedom of speechers use the media to force their pov down everyone's (including the kids) throats.

 

[Syndyre]

Just wondering how much parenting experience you have...
Parental guidance... he he
We do all we can, but have a hard time when the freedom of speechers use the media to force their pov down everyone's (including the kids) throats.

DSTV has an electronic parental guidance function.