Porn Crackdown

[Syndyre]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1822972,00.html?gusrc=rss
if they have their way, there would no punishment if my neighbour decides my 12 year old daughter will be his next sexual partner.

They're not exactly mainstream though, you get freaks everywhere.

 

[supersunbird]

Still, they should ban religion if they ban porn. You get inculcated into it from youth. So we need to protect the children from being forced into their parents religion. So no more religious websites if they dont have Adult Verification Services.

 

[noxibox]

Nothing wrong with porn? Consider the consequences:
Porn is way down on the slippery slope of moral comprimise already
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if they have their way, there would no punishment if my neighbour decides my 12 year old daughter will be his next sexual partner.

You forgot to post the demonstration of a causative link.

Or provide an infallible formula for determining age of consent. You obviously possess one.

Age of consent around the world

It's interesting that a teenager can be considered liable for crimes they commit, but are apparently not mature enough to decide if they want to have sex. In some countries you can be killed by the state at an age lower than that at which you're considered able to decide whether to have sex.

 

[icyrus]

Freedom of expression is good, but in some cases it unfortunately has long term consequences on society as a whole.

Without proof this statement is worse than usless.

Besides, what you are suggesting is that there is no such thing as personal responisibility.

 

[icyrus]

"Content analysts will be employed to sit every day on the Internet and trace people who are putting this pornographic material out there, and especially to identify websites containing child abuse material... Our main objective is to protect children from harmful content."

This statement is confused. Is their main objective to find people who are creating and uploading child porn? If so then this is a good idea - if it works like normal detective work.

But then they say "Our main objective is to protect children from harmful content". Hold on a second... protect children from harmful content? Surely they mean protect children from becoming content. Otherwise what is "harmfull content"? Who decides?

 

[ajax]

It's interesting that a teenager can be considered liable for crimes they commit, but are apparently not mature enough to decide if they want to have sex. In some countries you can be killed by the state at an age lower than that at which you're considered able to decide whether to have sex.

Probably because the consequences on society of things such as murder is more severe than having sex early on - crimes such as murder needs severe punishment. It is reasonable to assume that a 12 year old knows that murder is wrong, but is not necessarily emotionally ready for a sexual relationship.
Granted, the age of consent is a difficult one!

Without proof this statement is worse than usless.

I was merely referring to the fact that some see or rather group child porn and bestiality under "freedom of expression".

 

[truck-ra]

I was merely referring to the fact that some see or rather group child porn and bestiality under "freedom of expression".

Who are these people exactly?

 

[kilo39]

Is that allowed? They're clearly going to censor these websites which has broader implications for SA internet users as a whole. For example, you can't access the website www.rsa-overseas.com from SA.

This crackdown, although honourable, really shows where the government priorities are.

Huh? That site works fine from SA?

I am not aware of any SA firm censoring any website on the internet... This is a much more serious accusation than all this p0rn rubbish.

rsa-overseas.com is not available to me - anybody else?

Ya - according to these porn crackdowns there are paedophiles on every corner - just waiting to snap photos of your kids (pleaze!!)

Do you realise - a photo of your kiddie in the bath - posted on the www can be construed as child porn? Or - any photo deemed to have crossed some undefined limit. What is the present porn legislation in this country?

Surely porn - internationally - is posted - according to local porn laws - child porn is banned internationally - blocking kiddie porn sites? - Um, shouldn't we really be mailing the fbi?

some random ajak quotes:
Yup, ideally you'd try to teach them such that they don't want to look at porn themselves. Porn promotes selfishness at the expense of women.

WTF has selfishness got to do with it?

Find me any man who says that porn promoted a healthy relationship with his partner and I will find you 10 who says it didn't.

Any man - looking at porn - while in a relationship - has got a relationship problem - not a porn problem.

Freedom of expression is good, but in some cases it unfortunately has long term consequences on society as a whole.

Porn is way down on the slippery slope of moral comprimise already - its effect is to make society increaslingly used to "anything goes" morally.

I think all woman should start wearing.burkas

if they have their way, there would no punishment if my neighbour decides my 12 year old daughter will be his next sexual partner.

King Tutankhamun was married at the age of 12 - as were most of that time - and right through the middle ages - up until recent times - there has been no limit on the age of marriage or consent - I would think this is still true of some societies cut off from the main stream, ie, tribes in the amazon - or islanders on Vanuatu or whereever. (Any laws are for the protection of society, minors, and the greater good - hence laws against 12 year old marriages - and against raping your wife - in more recent times.) Laws are not there for the [mind] control of the population and to decide for the population what is moral and what is not.

And willing seller, willing buyer. Since when is it this governments purview to set the limits of capitalism? Oh, when distribution impacts on their own profits (taxes) - and inane laws set the limit on personal freedom.

I ask again (as I have asked before) - how many on this forum have ever come across a child porn site? I ask you all - what would you do if that site was a co.za? Child porn laws are universal - we do not need more big brother, more impacts on personal freedom - more slow erosion of personal rights -. This government has discovered apartheid's black book and they are reading it diligently.

And ajak - a person who regularly posts links to stormfront - then speaks of the moral degradation of society - while ranting on the intellectual capacities of others in our society - should take a long careful look at the tenets of his religion and the teachings of ***** Christ; moral and universal acceptance of all - only love will conquer the world - not jackboot policies, and the intellectual support of stormfront.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

And ajak - a person who regularly posts links to stormfront - then speaks of the moral degradation of society - while ranting on the intellectual capacities of others in our society - should take a long careful look at the tenets of his religion and the teachings of ***** Christ; moral and universal acceptance of all - only love will conquer the world - not jackboot policies, and the intellectual support of stormfront.

I think you may have ajax confused with ajak

ajak is the stormfront guy, ajax isn't. Lots of people seem to get them mixed up

 

[noxibox]

Any man - looking at porn - while in a relationship - has got a relationship problem - not a porn problem.

Women are increasingly becoming major consumers of pornography.

Do you realise - a photo of your kiddie in the bath - posted on the www can be construed as child porn? Or - any photo deemed to have crossed some undefined limit. What is the present porn legislation in this country?

Incidents of harassment of parents in recent times indicate that many of our parents would probably have been deemed as purveyors of child porn.

Ya - according to these porn crackdowns there are paedophiles on every corner - just waiting to snap photos of your kids (pleaze!!)

For some examples of overreaction look for stories of a school in Scotland that banned cameras at the school nativity play two years in a row. Parents had to fight these lunatics to get them to rescind their silly ban.

(Any laws are for the protection of society, minors, and the greater good - hence laws against 12 year old marriages - and against raping your wife - in more recent times.) Laws are not there for the [mind] control of the population and to decide for the population what is moral and what is not.

And willing seller, willing buyer. Since when is it this governments purview to set the limits of capitalism? Oh, when distribution impacts on their own profits (taxes) - and inane laws set the limit on personal freedom.

But who decides what is the greater good? It seems to get conveniently used as an excuse for measures to curtail freedom.

 

[kilo39]

I think you may have ajax confused with ajak

ajak is the stormfront guy, ajax isn't. Lots of people seem to get them mixed up

Oops - my apologies for the personal attack against ajak Would the real ajax please step forward

But who decides what is the greater good? It seems to get conveniently used as an excuse for measures to curtail freedom.

The voting public should decide the greater good - these laws concerning the crackdown on porn are slivers used to finally leverage the whole loss of personal freedom - all neatly sugar coated - for the protection of the kids.

This in a society where kids are regularly murdered and raped due to the ineffectiveness of this government, their laws and their promotion of tribal sexual hacks in pursuit of a cure beyond garlic and potatoes - but lets employ lots of people to surf for internet porn.

Ya, right. Our priorities are on exactly straight.

sickening

 

[Highflyer_GP]

We are already bearing the consequences of parents not raising their children responsibly...

Yeah and I'm sure that most of our criminals commit crimes because they had access to a vast amount of internet porn during their youth

Oops - my apologies for the personal attack against ajak Would the real ajax please step forward

You mean apologies for the personal attack against ajax

An easy way to tell the difference: ajax can speak english, ajak sort of can't

 

[kilo39]

Yeah and I'm sure that most of our criminals commit crimes because they had access to a vast amount of internet porn during their youth

You mean apologies for the personal attack against ajax

An easy way to tell the difference: ajax can speak english, ajak sort of can't

No - apologies to ajak (me accusing him of calling for the burkha.) As to the rest - the moral implications are the same (I will decide your morals for you - government approved - without consulting anybody else, ie, the public - or the many laws that are already in place, or the universal law against child porn - or our own internal value system, ie, the human brain.)

More kneejerk legislation - anything not to solve the real problems in this country.

 

[ajax]

ajax can speak english, ajak sort of can't

Oh, thanks!
My moral values may be a bit "unconventional" but at least I can speak English, he-he!

Hey, guys, no offense hey. I like to "gooi a klip in die bos" every now and then!

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Yeah I'm kidding as well, no offense to ajak

 

[Omac]

Any man - looking at porn - while in a relationship - has got a relationship problem - not a porn problem.

Ha ha ha -bllsht!!

 

[lilDeath]

... have to agree with you Omac

 

[kilo39]

... have to agree with you Omac

Ag shame - men who haven't discovered True Love.

 

[Omac]

Ag shame - men who haven't discovered True Love.

Ha ha ha. Bllsht!!

 

[kilo39]

Ha ha ha. Bllsht!!

Keep on believing - I wish you luck.