Post interview blues

[Ancalagon]

I have actually said too much... both current and prospective employers will probably be around.

I'm in IT and I'm not a developer, BA or Network tech. I have skills from all those jobs though.

I know who you are. I'm your boss. Meet me in my office in 5 minutes.













Jokes!

 

[Nerfherder]

I know who you are. I'm your boss. Meet me in my office in 5 minutes.













Jokes!

Just resigned..... boss was a little surprised so ye, probably not on this thread.

 

[Ancalagon]

Just resigned..... boss was a little surprised so ye, probably not on this thread.

Congratulations! So you got the job offer? Tell us more.

 

[SauRoNZA]

As for your employer getting word that you are out there interviewing, there are other ways that they could be picking it up.

They might notice you going out of the office often to have a phone call. If an employee is taking phone calls outside the office often, chances are they are arranging interviews. If you have an access card system, it becomes even easier to monitor how long employees are spending outside.

Depending on the person, some of them might be able to pick it up from your demeanour. Remember what you said about being over it because mentally you had already moved on? That will be visible to other people.

And yet sometimes that is the best way for them to catch a wake up.

Even just making them think you are seriously shopping for other jobs without even doing so goes a long mile.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Just resigned..... boss was a little surprised so ye, probably not on this thread.

Lekker man.

Good luck on the new ventures!

 

[Nerfherder]

Congratulations! So you got the job offer? Tell us more.

Yes, its a fair offer. A bit more than what I am getting, but more importantly its a major career move.

So I have accepted and resigned from my old position. Feels great but the ripple effects of my resignation has already started and I can see this next month is going to be tough !

 

[Nerfherder]

And yet sometimes that is the best way for them to catch a wake up.

Even just making them think you are seriously shopping for other jobs without even doing so goes a long mile.

I think just the act of getting your CV and references in order is such a big move. You take a look at what you have done and where the gaps are, write down on paper what you are worth.

I think it would have been really shocking for our CEO to see my CV in a pile and compare me to people applying for my job. I actually did that a while back when they were hiring and the response was positive but didn't result in anything worth while.
He was talking to me about a new customer overseas the other day and said "You can go there and do whatever it is you do". I might have misread the comment but definitely took offense, its been 10 years and we are a small company, I have done them a major disservice by keeping quiet.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I think just the act of getting your CV and references in order is such a big move. You take a look at what you have done and where the gaps are, write down on paper what you are worth.

I think it would have been really shocking for our CEO to see my CV in a pile and compare me to people applying for my job. I actually did that a while back when they were hiring and the response was positive but didn't result in anything worth while.
He was talking to me about a new customer overseas the other day and said "You can go there and do whatever it is you do". I might have misread the comment but definitely took offense, its been 10 years and we are a small company, I have done them a major disservice by keeping quiet.

I'm on the other side of the coin now.

I'm very happy with my current position and company and see loads of growth still inside my own team and then beyond that as well.

Problem is I get interest externally all the time and I never shoot it down by default as moving closer to home would be nice and obviously more money.

But then I don't want to go through the motions of updating my CV and all that jazz so straight up state to them money up front BEFORE I even bother with an interview or applying.

Incredible how many just reverse right out telling me they were looking for cheap and not quality.

Different story if I was looking, but you came after me.

 

[Ancalagon]

I'm on the other side of the coin now.

I'm very happy with my current position and company and see loads of growth still inside my own team and then beyond that as well.

Problem is I get interest externally all the time and I never shoot it down by default as moving closer to home would be nice and obviously more money.

But then I don't want to go through the motions of updating my CV and all that jazz so straight up state to them money up front BEFORE I even bother with an interview or applying.

Incredible how many just reverse right out telling me they were looking for cheap and not quality.

Different story if I was looking, but you came after me.

Just be aware that it might it look as if you are looking for money and nothing else.

I know why you would say it - so that they don't waste your time with an offer lower than you are earning now.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Just be aware that it might it look as if you are looking for money and nothing else.

I know why you would say it - so that they don't waste your time with an offer lower than you are earning now.

Honestly, it is all about money at the start.

I am non-negotiable on that front, even if I'm the one looking. I want to know the salary range etc before I go any further. If the recruitment agency or company are cagey about it I end the process there and then.

 

[shadow_man]

Honestly, it is all about money at the start.

I am non-negotiable on that front, even if I'm the one looking. I want to know the salary range etc before I go any further. If the recruitment agency or company are cagey about it I end the process there and then.

I find myself agreeing with this, especially the further I progress (both in age and career).

But you get it - you're gambling man after all

 

[SauRoNZA]

Just be aware that it might it look as if you are looking for money and nothing else.

I know why you would say it - so that they don't waste your time with an offer lower than you are earning now.

Nope, it's about not wasting my or any one else's time and being quite serious about walking away from it after the fact if they aren't on par.

Has worked numerous times in the past and I'm sure has saved me a fortune in wasted time/effort being being up front about it.

If that's the company's perception then they were never a good fit in the first place.

It's not necessarily about the money but knowing up front what is and isn't offered so I can simply say no ahead of the time instead of going through the motions to do so anyway.

 

[cguy]

Just be aware that it might it look as if you are looking for money and nothing else.

I know why you would say it - so that they don't waste your time with an offer lower than you are earning now.

When talking to an external recruiter, or a company's HR representative, it's generally fine to bring up money - this is what they do, and they appreciate the time saved by nipping this in the bud, if it's going to be an issue, and saving everyone a bunch of time.

There's also nothing wrong with money being a priority, or even a top priority - they don't know what you're going to spend it on, or why it motivates you. If you're going to spend it on your family, friends/family in need, charities, etc., then it absolutely should be a priority and there's nothing shallow or wrong about that (ironically, taking a paycut or sacrificing a good career trajectory to "follow one's passion" is often the hallmark of a solipsistic narcissistic ***hole ).

Honestly, it is all about money at the start.

I am non-negotiable on that front, even if I'm the one looking. I want to know the salary range etc before I go any further. If the recruitment agency or company are cagey about it I end the process there and then.

Agreed. The impression I get from knowing people in the business, is that they think you're a bit of an idiot if you don't ask.

 

[Nerfherder]

So something just happened that is doing my head in.

I got a mail from a recruitment agency that I have used before, it was addressed to me and the CEO. The mail was presenting a candidate quite senior to me for double my salary, some role overlap but obviously a lot more than my job.
Anyway... it was obviously a mistake to include me in the mail. The question is how did it happen ?

So I used this agency before and they used my gmail as the main form of communication, but obviously had my work mail as well. The problem is that the two jobs they presented me for were really great ones, the one I felt like they were ready to give me a job in the interview and I did all the aptitude tests and they were going to schedule an interview with management. Then out of nowhere it just went dead, they said they were not able to take me on and then the recruiter also stopped calling me, she had been actively handing out my CV and scheduling interviews.
That episode was devastating, I really got my hopes up like I mentioned in the OP. Sure this could all be a massive co-incidence but the paranoia is overwhelming now. I was worried that one of my references was bad mouthing me but now I feel like the CEO himself was interfering.

I'm I going mad ?
I feel so horrible now, I actually recommended this agency as they got me some great interviews.

I need to check the timelines but after that whole debacle they gave me the overtime and started offering me all these extra opportunities.
Even if they didn't interfere in the interview process I feel like the agency had to be either intentionally or unintentionally leaking this info to my employer.

 

[Chevron]

So something just happened that is doing my head in.

I got a mail from a recruitment agency that I have used before, it was addressed to me and the CEO. The mail was presenting a candidate quite senior to me for double my salary, some role overlap but obviously a lot more than my job.
Anyway... it was obviously a mistake to include me in the mail. The question is how did it happen ?

So I used this agency before and they used my gmail as the main form of communication, but obviously had my work mail as well. The problem is that the two jobs they presented me for were really great ones, the one I felt like they were ready to give me a job in the interview and I did all the aptitude tests and they were going to schedule an interview with management. Then out of nowhere it just went dead, they said they were not able to take me on and then the recruiter also stopped calling me, she had been actively handing out my CV and scheduling interviews.
That episode was devastating, I really got my hopes up like I mentioned in the OP. Sure this could all be a massive co-incidence but the paranoia is overwhelming now. I was worried that one of my references was bad mouthing me but now I feel like the CEO himself was interfering.

I'm I going mad ?
I feel so horrible now, I actually recommended this agency as they got me some great interviews.

I need to check the timelines but after that whole debacle they gave me the overtime and started offering me all these extra opportunities.
Even if they didn't interfere in the interview process I feel like the agency had to be either intentionally or unintentionally leaking this info to my employer.

Almost sounds like the recruitment agency was letting the CEO what type of candidate they would need to replace you, but now they see the candidate would be for double your salary, they're to make you happy.

Completely conjecture though as you say.

 

[Nerfherder]

Almost sounds like the recruitment agency was letting the CEO what type of candidate they would need to replace you, but now they see the candidate would be for double your salary, they're to make you happy.

Completely conjecture though as you say.

I did consider that as well. If the mail was intended for me then its also very weird, like oh... if you had stayed we could have skilled you up to this level.

Its a game though, and I'm done.

 

[IziWhatNow]

I'm on the other side of the coin now.

I'm very happy with my current position and company and see loads of growth still inside my own team and then beyond that as well.

Problem is I get interest externally all the time and I never shoot it down by default as moving closer to home would be nice and obviously more money.

But then I don't want to go through the motions of updating my CV and all that jazz so straight up state to them money up front BEFORE I even bother with an interview or applying.

Incredible how many just reverse right out telling me they were looking for cheap and not quality.

Different story if I was looking, but you came after me.

You need to check out OfferZen (see my sig). It shows you job offers, with company details and salary upfront. Then you can decide to engage or not

 

[Ancalagon]

So something just happened that is doing my head in.

I got a mail from a recruitment agency that I have used before, it was addressed to me and the CEO. The mail was presenting a candidate quite senior to me for double my salary, some role overlap but obviously a lot more than my job.
Anyway... it was obviously a mistake to include me in the mail. The question is how did it happen ?

So I used this agency before and they used my gmail as the main form of communication, but obviously had my work mail as well. The problem is that the two jobs they presented me for were really great ones, the one I felt like they were ready to give me a job in the interview and I did all the aptitude tests and they were going to schedule an interview with management. Then out of nowhere it just went dead, they said they were not able to take me on and then the recruiter also stopped calling me, she had been actively handing out my CV and scheduling interviews.
That episode was devastating, I really got my hopes up like I mentioned in the OP. Sure this could all be a massive co-incidence but the paranoia is overwhelming now. I was worried that one of my references was bad mouthing me but now I feel like the CEO himself was interfering.

I'm I going mad ?
I feel so horrible now, I actually recommended this agency as they got me some great interviews.

I need to check the timelines but after that whole debacle they gave me the overtime and started offering me all these extra opportunities.
Even if they didn't interfere in the interview process I feel like the agency had to be either intentionally or unintentionally leaking this info to my employer.

The tales you tell of your CEO reminds of one that I use to work for, who I took to calling the Little Tyrant. Because he was short, and a tyrant. Wonder if it is the same guy.

So, a few points to think about. How long had it been since you interacted with the recruiter? Had you ever interacted with the recruiter from the perspective of hiring someone for the company? In other words, was the recruiter ever sending you CVs directly?

I find it hard it to believe that a recruiter would make a mistake like that. They know they have to be careful, because salary information is confidential. Imagine if you had not resigned - you would now be looking, knowing that you are underpaid.

Your CEO could easily have said, please include Nerfherder when you email. No need to explain why - you could be the hiring manager for all you know. Heck, the CEO may even want your approval on this new candidate (which actually is a sign of respect). It may be that the mistake was including salary information on the CV, not emailing it to you.

Maybe just ask your CEO if he would like you to review the CV. If he says yes, I would like your thoughts on this candidate, then you know why you were included. If not, he will tell you it was a "mistake".

 

[Nerfherder]

You need to check out OfferZen (see my sig). It shows you job offers, with company details and salary upfront. Then you can decide to engage or not

Thanks

I did. My skill set is not yet part of the offerzen scope, I do like the concept though.

 

[Nerfherder]

The tales you tell of your CEO reminds of one that I use to work for, who I took to calling the Little Tyrant. Because he was short, and a tyrant. Wonder if it is the same guy.

So, a few points to think about. How long had it been since you interacted with the recruiter? Had you ever interacted with the recruiter from the perspective of hiring someone for the company? In other words, was the recruiter ever sending you CVs directly?

I find it hard it to believe that a recruiter would make a mistake like that. They know they have to be careful, because salary information is confidential. Imagine if you had not resigned - you would now be looking, knowing that you are underpaid.

Your CEO could easily have said, please include Nerfherder when you email. No need to explain why - you could be the hiring manager for all you know. Heck, the CEO may even want your approval on this new candidate (which actually is a sign of respect). It may be that the mistake was including salary information on the CV, not emailing it to you.

Maybe just ask your CEO if he would like you to review the CV. If he says yes, I would like your thoughts on this candidate, then you know why you were included. If not, he will tell you it was a "mistake".

I interacted with them about 2.5 years ago. It was a different agent but the same company. I haven't ever been involved in looking at CV's, I'm a senior tech not management, I only ever used the recruiters to apply for jobs.

It could have been him looking for my approval. However this is what the numbers looked like - the candidate was 45+ looking for 72k and currently getting about 66k, I'm 36 and the job I'm leaving pays 32k - So I still think that me getting the email was a mistake on someone else's side.
The other thing that I remembered is that I submitted my Dad's CV a long while ago. He is a lot more in line with the job so perhaps the CEO wanted to tell me that he was looking again. That's flippen lazy though and why not just send me a mail directly saying he was looking for someone like my dad ?

Politics have stepped up a bit at work and there is a massive power play being made now that I'm leaving. The CEO asked one of the people in my team why I was leaving because he didn't know I was unhappy.....
I feel like I'm the guy in the Bollywood movie walking away from the explosion smoking a cigarette.