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[DTBA]

Sooo no stage 4 for the weekend

 

[Lupus]

Sooo no stage 4 for the weekend

Who knows, nothing has been announced, seems they might be trying to fight the fire with De Ruyter spilling the beans.

 

[Brian_G]

Who knows, nothing has been announced, seems they might be trying to fight the fire with De Ruyter spilling the beans.

Question is which way do they go now?
Ignore - things may quieten down
Push up loadshedding - make his statements look false
Push down loadshedding - seen as an admission of guilt

 

[Lupus]

Question is which way do they go now?
Ignore - things may quieten down
Push up loadshedding - make his statements look false
Push down loadshedding - seen as an admission of guilt

Probably the first one, as they keeping it at stage 6.

 

[Priapus]

I do miss our gas geysers, the only worry was getting a new 48kg gas bottle when one ran out, we run our electric geysers using our inverter or generator but it is an additional worry.

Since getting the gas geyser, I have stopped trying to heat the electric geyser on the solar panels.

 

[Brian_G]

I do miss our gas geysers, the only worry was getting a new 48kg gas bottle when one ran out, we run our electric geysers using our inverter or generator but it is an additional worry.

The cost?
Yep, quite heavy at around R1500+ last we did it (for cooking in our case). We put something aside as it gets closer to empty, stings less then.

 

[Neuk_]

Since getting the gas geyser, I have stopped trying to heat the electric geyser on the solar panels.

I forget, your gas geyser replaced your electric? You had two electric geysers though?

 

[Neuk_]

The cost?
Yep, quite heavy at around R1500+ last we did it (for cooking in our case). We put something aside as it gets closer to empty, stings less then.

I'll have to look at my records as our new house has 19kg bottles for the gas stove top so I haven't bought a 48kg in a while. Our old house used gas for heating water and cooking which is why we went for the 48kg's which lasted around 3 months.

 

[Brian_G]

I'll have to look at my records as our new house has 19kg bottles for the gas stove top so I haven't bought a 48kg in a while. Our old house used gas for heating water and cooking which is why we went for the 48kg's which lasted around 3 months.

Our house came with 4 x 48Kg units, lasted us many years 'cos we don't cook much. We want a gas geyser / water heater, will probably go for the second but means baths instead of preferred showers.

 

[Neuk_]

Our house came with 4 x 48Kg units, lasted us many years 'cos we don't cook much. We want a gas geyser / water heater, will probably go for the second but means baths instead of preferred showers.

4 x 48kg on a residential property? Where do you live? In Jhb you are only allowed 100kg of LPG per property from what I remember...

What do you see as the difference between a gas geyser and heater? We had what is commonly called a gas geyser but I call a heater as it doesn't store any water at all, only heats it to a set temperature and we showered, bathed, washed dishes, etc. with it easily.

 

[Brian_G]

4 x 48kg on a residential property? Where do you live? In Jhb you are only allowed 100kg of LPG per property from what I remember...

I'll have to look into that, thanks. Yep, NE Jo'burg.

What do you see as the difference between a gas geyser and heater? We had what is commonly called a gas geyser but I call a heater as it doesn't store any water at all, only heats it to a set temperature and we showered, bathed, washed dishes, etc. with it easily.

I've only heard of proper gas geysers, haven't seen one. Used to have a gas heater in Seapoint, above the bath, too slow a flow for a shower.

 

[Priapus]

I forget, your gas geyser replaced your electric? You had two electric geysers though?

Just the single 200L geyser. When the gas was installed, I still heated the geyser with the panels on bright sunny days - and have a value that would divert water to the taps instead of the heater, if geyser was above 45c.

But for the last few weeks; I have not heated the geyser at all and just used the gas heater.

 

[Sinbad]

4 x 48kg on a residential property? Where do you live? In Jhb you are only allowed 100kg of LPG per property from what I remember...

What do you see as the difference between a gas geyser and heater? We had what is commonly called a gas geyser but I call a heater as it doesn't store any water at all, only heats it to a set temperature and we showered, bathed, washed dishes, etc. with it easily.

I had 5x48s. Had to have a fire plan signed off by the fire chief, and extinguishers on site. Just a formality, really.

 

[Neuk_]

I had 5x48s. Had to have a fire plan signed off by the fire chief, and extinguishers on site. Just a formality, really.

Johannesburg Fire Chief, no such thing exists, you signed it yourself didn't you?

 

[Brian_G]

4 x 48kg on a residential property? Where do you live? In Jhb you are only allowed 100kg of LPG per property from what I remember...

The googled info is difficult and vague, the 100Kg rule seems to apply to something more specific.
When we bought the house it was municipality inspected, but that was in 2004 and the new gas rules took effect in 2009.

 

[Brian_G]

This makes it even more difficult;

The number and the size of containers recommended for an LPG installation depend on the maximum hourly consumption of the appliances served and the lowest ...

https://ia902900.us.archive.org/35/items/za.sans.10087.1.2008/za.sans.10087.1.2008.pdf

 

[The_Librarian]

I do miss our gas geysers, the only worry was getting a new 48kg gas bottle when one ran out, we run our electric geysers using our inverter or generator but it is an additional worry.

Get a solar and two gas geysers, a small one for the kitchen and a big enough one for the shower.

During summer you can use the solar geyser for showers etc. Kitchen can be hooked to the gas geyser for hot water should there not be enough after showers.

Big one can go to the showers, but piping can be done in such a way that it can be bypassed in summer.

In winter the sun will heat up the water in the geyser, but it will not be hot enough, you can then pipe these through the gas geyser for an extra bit of heat. Since the water is warm, you'll not need a lot of gas for heating the water up.

Avoid using electric geysers, since these will chow any precious electricity like nothing.

 

[Neuk_]

The googled info is difficult and vague, the 100Kg rule seems to apply to something more specific.
When we bought the house it was municipality inspected, but that was in 2004 and the new gas rules took effect in 2009.

Might be best to get a gas installer in and get the to inspect and advise or contact @Sinbad's phantom fire chief.

 

[Magnum]

Very intresting podcast re subject of power generation future in US

Finally someone with some spare Braincells.....

 

[Neuk_]

Get a solar and two gas geysers, a small one for the kitchen and a big enough one for the shower.

During summer you can use the solar geyser for showers etc. Kitchen can be hooked to the gas geyser for hot water should there not be enough after showers.

Big one can go to the showers, but piping can be done in such a way that it can be bypassed in summer.

In winter the sun will heat up the water in the geyser, but it will not be hot enough, you can then pipe these through the gas geyser for an extra bit of heat. Since the water is warm, you'll not need a lot of gas for heating the water up.

Avoid using electric geysers, since these will chow any precious electricity like nothing.

It will be a while before we look at replacing the electric geysers, I spec'd our inverter/battery/solar system to handle the electric geysers although I do need to put in smaller elements and smart switches to be able to more easily run one after the other. At the moment they have 3kW elements and are connected to a single geyser timer meaning the only way to separate them is via their CB's, which is fine except when I am not home.