Bondizzo
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wow so if you sell a second hand car thats piracy ?
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wow so if you sell a second hand car thats piracy ?
Do these even constitute a valid contract? Unless you agreed to the licence in advance or can decline post-purchase and return the product for a refund.
It seems to me the biggest whiners about the alleged impact of copying and secondhand sales are the companies making truckloads of money.
@Andy: That's exactly the point andy, good for you you fed a starving developer for a day
It's one of the benefits of getting an Xbox a few years late, lot's of catching up to do.
I really believe we need to see more classics at reduced rates. I've seen Forza 2 up for R600 in Makro and this game must be more than a year old, it's too much.
Currently I'm pretty much forced to go 2nd hand or borrow from a friend because I can't willingly spend >R1500 on the three new games I want (COD5, GOW2, Scene-it) this month. But do game publishers really care about this? I suppose eventually I will buy at full retail. But I could also go 2nd hand, and that's bad for developers.
Perhaps if they halved games prices they'd sell more games and make up the difference. If this was too happen I'd buy all three instead of just one and borrowing the rest. That's good for the developers and perhaps a step toward reducing piracy?
saffakanera
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I read about that argument on Digg.com, one dev was bitching about pre-owned being the same as piracy due the total lack of dev investment. I hope they dont want to move against pre-owned gaming, dont these guys make enough BILLIONS as it is?!
So it seems that from now on if you buy pre-owned games you should carry the same guilt as a pirate *not that I have a problem with that, being a pirate I mean* still.... weak..
So it seems that from now on if you buy pre-owned games you should carry the same guilt as a pirate *not that I have a problem with that, being a pirate I mean* still.... weak..
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True...they lose revenue either way. So effectively to them it's exactly the same as pirating if you think about it in that sense. Or legal pirating that is
The day I haveta pay R800+ for every game and can't get 'em 2nd hand is the day that they can stick my consoles up where it really hurt, and keep it there since I won't have a use for 'em. Paying R600-R800 for something that will entertain you for bout 20-40 hours is crazy.
Something to keep in mind, the guy that sold the pre-owned copy will probably use that money to go buy another new game. So the money still gets to the devs and that person who buys new games might have bought less if he could not sell his old games, and the guy who buy pre-owned cause he can't afford new would not have bought new or maybe only 1 or so every other month. Its not like they would have made the money to start with.
Something to keep in mind, the guy that sold the pre-owned copy will probably use that money to go buy another new game. So the money still gets to the devs and that person who buys new games might have bought less if he could not sell his old games, and the guy who buy pre-owned cause he can't afford new would not have bought new or maybe only 1 or so every other month. Its not like they would have made the money to start with.
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"but putting money into another gamer's hand that he will use toward a R600+ new title can't be a bad thing."
according to the gaming industry, it soon might be a VERY bad thing, that means YOU arent buy a R600+ game!
according to the gaming industry, it soon might be a VERY bad thing, that means YOU arent buy a R600+ game!
BinaryJack
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This is the thing...the gaming industry (read: devs) see 2nd-handers as the same as pirates, no offense saff.
And you can see that they do have a valid point from their side of the fence, they are losing money from 2nd hand games and rentals.
All I am saying is: "Heads up!"
If devs like Epic start making a noise about 2nd hand sales, the other devs will listen.
maestro_za
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I rent and buy second-hand as well. It has suit my pocket for a long time now
It seems you can't win anymore ... need lots of $$$ for everything these days
It seems you can't win anymore ... need lots of $$$ for everything these days
doobiwan
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I agree here and I think the games companies would be sort of okay with that, like game clubs - split the cost amongst friends if you can't afford a lot of games. But then it's just one or two of you.
the problem is a store like Gamestop that can and emphasises recycling a single copy dozens of times - they offer hectic incentives for new games, like when GTA4 was released - if you brought it back within a week they gave you something like 80-90% of the full retail price for it!
That's downright evil and I can't condone it.
BinaryJack
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The devs knew that their games were being recycled, the impact on their revenue was minimal.
Now it has become a viable business concept and when a chain store like HMV start their own pre-played concept it is starting to have major impact on their revenue.
doobiwan
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Exactly, I guess in that way it has become like piracy. I think preplayed was very seen as a community service, a necessary evil. But now their goodwill is being commercially exploited at their expense.
As I said, I don't mind if they put lock-ins, like limited weapons or stats without an unlock, provided those unlocks don't make the games too expensive. $10? No problem, but they have to realise people buy the games 2nd hand, not because they're greedy, but because they just can't afford to buy so many games new.
As I said, I don't mind if they put lock-ins, like limited weapons or stats without an unlock, provided those unlocks don't make the games too expensive. $10? No problem, but they have to realise people buy the games 2nd hand, not because they're greedy, but because they just can't afford to buy so many games new.
Chevron
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I rent and buy second-hand as well. It has suit my pocket for a long time now
It seems you can't win anymore ... need lots of $$$ for everything these days
Pc gaming is still cheap.
maestro_za
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That's relative. RRP is R300, but you will see a price rise in the near future.
Some of the newer titles are already R400. I don't see PC gaming prices staying put for long.
I in any case don't see the need for constant upgrading to keep up with system requirements. I use my 2 PC's for browsing, downloads, watching vidz, business admin and the odd Football Manager game
Thanks for this...will have a squiz at the EULA tonight.
Just for fun of course.
Won't mean much since most of the EULA's have never stood up in the courts. The only times courts have actually accepted this is when what's stated in the EULA is part of state/federal/provincial law. The courts on more than a few occasions have said that since the user doesn't agree to the EULA before buying the game and he can't return the game after opening and finding that he doesn't agree with the EULA , they won't accept the EULA.
BinaryJack
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Thanks, that is interesting.
R350 - R400 is it is now is still quite cheap compared to the console pricing with games ranging from R525 to R700.
Pc games pricing has gone up in the last month or so but at the same time console games pricing went up as well.
At the end it depends were you want to save your cash , on the games you buy or on the hardware.
