preparing for a nuclear holocaust

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Support for PLO:

The Palestinian organization most loyal to the Iranian revolutionary ideology is the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. In spite of it being a Sunni organization, the Iranian revolution sees in it an example to be followed. After the deportation of its leader, Fathi Sh***i, from the Gaza Strip, the ties between Iran and the organization have been strengthened, particularly in the field of Iranian military assistance. Instructors of the Guardians of the Revolution give regular military instruction courses to the organization's activists from the Territories and abroad, as well as in the Hizballah camps in Lebanon and Iran. Iran also provides the organization’s activists with logistic support, including Iranian identitificatio papers.

Support for Hamas:

The Palestinian organization most loyal to the Iranian revolutionary ideology is the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. In spite of it being a Sunni organization, the Iranian revolution sees in it an example to be followed. After the deportation of its leader, Fathi Sh***i, from the Gaza Strip, the ties between Iran and the organization have been strengthened, particularly in the field of Iranian military assistance. Instructors of the Guardians of the Revolution give regular military instruction courses to the organization's activists from the Territories and abroad, as well as in the Hizballah camps in Lebanon and Iran. Iran also provides the organization’s activists with logistic support, including Iranian identitification papers.

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=14#organizations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

An additional point made by nuclear proliferation experts is that no country has historically been found to have a covert uranium enrichment program that was not later linked to a nuclear weapons project. All prior discoveries other than Iran were eventually linked to weapons programs.

Iran is believed to have a current inventory of at least 25 to 100 Shahab-3 missiles which have a range of 1300km and are capable of being armed with conventional high explosive, submunition, chemical, biological, radiological dispersion and potentially nuclear warheads

The article is a bit out of date since last week Iran were parading a nuclear warhead on a Shahab-3 missile.

4. He's a madman because he said [in a weekend paper] that he can defeat the USA. LOL.

 

[nocilah]

so all this justifies america essentially nuking a country?

perhaps america should be nuked because after all it is the same thing

 

[bwana]

so all this justifies america essentially nuking a country?

perhaps america should be nuked because after all it is the same thing

They havent nuked a country since the 1940's.

i truly hope if Iran are atacked north korea or china manage to send a few nukes over to america. i am thinking washington dc and new york would be great. maybe if luck is on their side they can nail california too.

we can all have fun watching our world burn while celion dion sings love songs. all because of a defiant american southerner who is bent by greed.

So you're hoping for the end of the world?

 

[nocilah]

to put this whole argument into perspective we all agree mugabe is a 'mad' man. his policies and ideals are non beneficial to his people and his country.

lets say he gains access to nuclear weapons?

is this a justified reason to engage in tactical nuclear strikes against zimbabwe. take out their leader and perhaps a couple hundred thousand civilians?

America are playing the terrorist card all too often and alot of people here are sucking it in like little sheep.

America are great because they brought us all these funky technologies. America are great because of Macdonalds, Nike and Addidas? America must win and rule because they will ensure my selfish lifestyle is maintained and if a couple hundred thousand rag heads need to die then so be it?

Iran are only saying contreversial things because they are being threatened by the most powerful nation on earth... ...unfairly.

 

[nocilah]

So you're hoping for the end of the world?

No... America is not my world. I said IF Iran are attacked I cetianly hope america get burnt by this deed of theirs... burnt and scarred to show the world what a mistake it was to run around flexing your muscles.

China are as powerful if not more and they certianly dont behave like idiots... but they might act like big brothers to countries like America.

If the nuclear holocaust comes you can blame your idol 'America' for it.

As far as i am concerned i lost all respect for america when they attacked IRAQ for no reason what so ever... unless you like President Bush and believe they had WMD.

 

[nocilah]

Washington / Tehran - The US has prepared several plans to attack Iran since 2003, reported a former intelligence expert with the US military on Sunday in the Washington Post.

According to security analyst William Arkin, the US central command has been devising war scenarios with Iran at least since May 2003, shortly after the US-led invasion of neighbouring Iraq.

and you all believe this is some case of defending the freedom of people in the world? more like america planning world domination...

yup united slaves of america is coming unless we burn to the stench of nuclear fires.

well if hating america is terrorist then i am a terrorist.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

so all this justifies america essentially nuking a country?

perhaps america should be nuked because after all it is the same thing

Oh really? The US has basically given Iran years to disband their nuclear program so I have no sympathy if they get nuked. (Democratic 'negogiations' do fail - see WW2 as an example)

How is it the same thing? They arn't saying wipe the country off the map - merely to remove dictators who pose a threat to America. (yes again it could be by-product of getting oil but it's not a bad thing he'll get removed)

is this a justified reason to engage in tactical nuclear strikes against zimbabwe. take out their leader and perhaps a couple hundred thousand civilians?

America are playing the terrorist card all too often and alot of people here are sucking it in like little sheep.

Probably they won't use nukes - they'll get extremely bad PR if they kill "starving" civilians and most don't support Mugabe (the election was clearly rigged)

On the other hand you see lots of people supporting the Iranian President and who (probably) arn't starving. They can hardly be classified as "innocent" if they're chanting anti-American songs and wish "Death to America" etc.

China are as powerful if not more and they certianly dont behave like idiots... but they might act like big brothers to countries like America.

That isn't going to happen to soon - Americans have anti-missile technology to shoot down nukes. Also with the release of the new F22A Fighter the American Army increased their already superior air dominance even further.

 

[nivek]

to deny the fact Iran doesnt want nuclear technology for the sake of aquiring a nuclear weapon is as pointless as showering after sex with an hiv positive woman.. It was just last week Iran were bragging in the news, showing off their new missiles..

 

[Gooku]

USA is in need of a great leader like the late Ronald Reagan

who won World War 3 (the cold war) , destroyed USSR without firing a single warhead.

IMO greatest strategist in modern time.

 

[ajak]

By Ryan Jones
April 16th, 2006

Overall Hamas leader Khaled Mashal Saturday again gave the lie to the international media's ficticious portrayal of Hamas as a movement reluctantly moderating itself towards recognition of and coexistence with Israel.

Speaking to a conference in Tehran supporting the "Palestinian cause" against the Jewish state, Mashal stated emphatically that:

"The Palestinians will never recognize Israel."

If the predictions of his host, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, prove true, recognition of Israel won't be an issue Mashal and Hamas have to deal with very much longer.

As the conference kicked off Friday, Ahmadinejad told the gathering, which included representatives of most "Palestinian" terror groups, that the land Israel calls its own "will be freed soon."

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Islam, which is the cornerstone of both Hamas' and Ahmadinejad's stated policies, views Israel's rebirth on lands once under its dominion as an afront and a primary obstacle in its path to global subjugation to the will of Allah. Removing the Jewish state is recognized as the first step to getting back on track.

Holding firm to Islam's assurance of ultimate victory, Hamas leaders continue defy Western demands that they moderate and accept Israel's sovereignty, confident that American and European financial pressure will soon crumble under the weight of humanitarian concerns and political considerations.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Iran is a country full of religious extremists, run by religious extremists who threaten to wipe a whole country, Israel, from the map, have a nuclear 'program' and parade missiles in the streets.

WTF is the US supposed to do huh?

Hate Americans all you want but if it wasnt for them we would all be speaking German and goose-stepping all over the place. Saddam Hussein needed to be taken down. If the US needed to 'exagerate' certain things to shut the bunny huggers and Liberals up so that the job could be done: so be it. The Taliban needed to be taken down too.

Just be thankful there was oil to be had by the US or there would possibly have not been enough motive to do the jobs that needed doing. After all, do you think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were cheap? Hell no, they cost s1tload of dollars.

 

[nocilah]

dictators who pose a threat to America.

uh huh? now IRAN is threatening america? oh wait israel is american?

you're protecting america is what you are doing. you saying it's okay if america use NUKES but if IRAN use NUKES then they are BAD and terrorists.

u're sucked deep into the plastic and synthetic security of america being your beeg daddy. u're a united slave of america. congratulations.

 

[nocilah]

Iran is a country full of religious extremists, run by religious extremists who threaten to wipe a whole country, Israel, from the map, have a nuclear 'program' and parade missiles in the streets.

lets change the country names shall we?

America is a country full of religious extremists, run by religious extremists who threaten to wipe a whole country, IRAN, from the map, America have a nuclear 'program' and parade missiles in the streets.

So if america parade misiles in the streets (which they do) and preach the word of God, which they do and threaten to wipe a whole country with NUCLEAR STRIKES its OKAY.

There's that logic.

Hate Americans all you want but if it wasnt for them we would all be speaking German and goose-stepping all over the place. Saddam Hussein needed to be taken down. If the US needed to 'exagerate' certain things to shut the bunny huggers and Liberals up so that the job could be done: so be it. The Taliban needed to be taken down too.

so what you saying is it's okay for america to lie. so dont complain about OUR goverment or else you're just being hypocritcal.
btw Taliban were created by America and Saddam Hussein was created by America... do your homework and you will see these wars have been put into place long ago... someone mentioned Reagon as a great strategists... indeed he was beacuse look at how the chess game has turned out

Just be thankful there was oil to be had by the US or there would possibly have not been enough motive to do the jobs that needed doing. After all, do you think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were cheap? Hell no, they cost s1tload of dollars.

er... wait you are telling me that america ONLY did this for oil? so it really has nothing to do with terrorists, dictators or nuclear programs? hrmm interesting... i see you too are a united slave of america. congratulations.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Oh really? The US has basically given Iran years to disband their nuclear program so I have no sympathy if they get nuked. (Democratic 'negogiations' do fail - see WW2 as an example)

How is it the same thing? They arn't saying wipe the country off the map - merely to remove dictators who pose a threat to America. (yes again it could be by-product of getting oil but it's not a bad thing he'll get removed)
On the other hand you see lots of people supporting the Iranian President and who (probably) arn't starving. They can hardly be classified as "innocent" if they're chanting anti-American songs and wish "Death to America" etc.

i dont wanna take sides on this issue but i have to ask the question, who in the flying fsck is america to order other countries to disband programs? so why should other countries disband their nukes yet only america is allowed to keep theirs active? i understand its a question of national security and the like, but thats like saying since america has active nuclear warheads south africa should order america to disband their warheads since it poses a risk to our national security. the iranians are acting the way that they are because they were provoked by bush's threat of declaring war.

with the skyrocketting price of crude oil, do you really think its justified for them to declare war on a country so that the byproduct may be to remove a dictator. think of the consequences. do you really want such a large amount of oil supply going only to america while the rest of the world suffers from shortages? unless you're quite happy to pay R30 a litre, i certainly am not.

edit: an no it wasn't exclusively america who put an end to the germans, it was the allied forces, a joint effort by a number of countries. yes they nuked nagasaki and hiroshima, but countless lives from a number of other countries were lost in an effort to put an end to the war. should we forget about all these people who gave their lives for the fate of the world?

 

[Freshy-ZN]

lets change the country names shall we?



So if america parade misiles in the streets (which they do) and preach the word of God, which they do and threaten to wipe a whole country with NUCLEAR STRIKES its OKAY.

There's that logic.



so what you saying is it's okay for america to lie. so dont complain about OUR goverment or else you're just being hypocritcal.
btw Taliban were created by America and Saddam Hussein was created by America... do your homework and you will see these wars have been put into place long ago... someone mentioned Reagon as a great strategists... indeed he was beacuse look at how the chess game has turned out



er... wait you are telling me that america ONLY did this for oil? so it really has nothing to do with terrorists, dictators or nuclear programs? hrmm interesting... i see you too are a united slave of america. congratulations.

Make no mistake, Im no fan of America and her current foreign policy. Then again im also not in favour of religious extremists with nuclear weapons. If one suicide bomber can cause so much havoc (in the name of Islam) imagine what the Iranian leadership could do with nukes? I didnt mention in my previous post but I am NOT in favour of the US nuking Iran (personally dont think it will happen) however, realistically it is not surprising that America has considered all available options. It would be silly of them not too. You have plans A through whatever. Doesnt mean you use the most extreme but thats what planning is all about. Dont you think that America is using scare tactics by 'leaking' the possible plans for a nuke strike on Iran?

You may say that because America has a nuclear arsenal that they have no right to deny other states the same?? What a lot of utter nonsense! America, Russia, France, UK, Germany etc developed their nukes as a result of an entirely different set of circumstances. Iran doesnt need nukes for defense. They want nukes to gain power. If you think this whole situation is a mess, wait till North Korea starts really flexing. They are watching closely how America handles Iran. They too want the power of the nuke.

America and its European allies at least have a largely rational population (people like us) which would in theory not allow such drastic measures. Iran doesnt have a rational populace. They are religious fanatics who probably dont really care about dying in a nuke war if they are 'promised' instant salvation.

Therein lies the danger of Iran developing nuclear weapons. If you are comfortable with that...then as you say: congratulations.

 

[craigsa]

I fully support strikes against Iran. Nuke them first before they nuke us.

 

[nocilah]

Make no mistake, Im no fan of America and her current foreign policy. Then again im also not in favour of religious extremists with nuclear weapons. If one suicide bomber can cause so much havoc (in the name of Islam) imagine what the Iranian leadership could do with nukes? I didnt mention in my previous post but I am NOT in favour of the US nuking Iran (personally dont think it will happen) however, realistically it is not surprising that America has considered all available options. It would be silly of them not too. You have plans A through whatever. Doesnt mean you use the most extreme but thats what planning is all about. Dont you think that America is using scare tactics by 'leaking' the possible plans for a nuke strike on Iran?

I agree, certain behaviours of the Muslim culture and countries are regarded as extremist in our "western" eyes. To be perfectly honest as much as i dislike America and their ways I would still prefer to live there then in a Muslim run country. After reflecting on the whole America vs Iran issue I think i have calmed down somewhat realising America would be stupid to launch nuclear strikes against IRan and for the sake of peace and stability i certainly hope they do not.

You may say that because America has a nuclear arsenal that they have no right to deny other states the same?? What a lot of utter nonsense! America, Russia, France, UK, Germany etc developed their nukes as a result of an entirely different set of circumstances. Iran doesnt need nukes for defense. They want nukes to gain power. If you think this whole situation is a mess, wait till North Korea starts really flexing. They are watching closely how America handles Iran. They too want the power of the nuke.

There in lies the danger. All we need is one unstable American leader (George Bush) to push the button on their nuclear arsenal and we're farked. I think it is only fair that each country is disallowed nuclear arms, but in reality this will never happen... then counter meassures need to be developed. If China or North Korea are militarily roused by this America vs Iran issue then we are possibly farked.

America and its European allies at least have a largely rational population (people like us) which would in theory not allow such drastic measures.

that is a debate in itself. Define rational? What "we" might define as rational might be defined as insane by someone else and hence we get wars etc...

Iran doesnt have a rational populace. They are religious fanatics who probably dont really care about dying in a nuke war if they are 'promised' instant salvation.

is religion ever rational?

Therein lies the danger of Iran developing nuclear weapons. If you are comfortable with that...then as you say: congratulations.

I would be more comfortable with America cooling down and letting the UN deal with the issue first and only use a non-nuclear strike as an ultimate last resort. I am also highly uncomfortable with America's true intentions and interests into Iran remembering that China gets alot of it's oil from Iran which makes for a delicate situation.

Right now i am happy I am not living in America or Iran.

 

[killadoob]

i'll say it again end of the world is this year

 

[Freshy-ZN]

I think personally that the fact that we already have countries with nuclear capabilties is concern enough. We dont need more. Iran is more. North Korea is more. America, Russia etc have gone some way in reducing their nuclear arsenals, give them a little credit. It is not necessary for Iran to have them, period.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

i'll say it again end of the world is this year

Should I abuse my cap and not pay Telkom then?