Propaganda

Mmm, at first glance Ron Paul does look a the best of the republican candidates.
Not that difficult to find...any thread to do with Faux and Obama or the Republicans will have you chirping about how great Fox and the Republicans are and how bad Obama is...

Some nice Fox ideology being spewed out here for example..

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...spotlight-on-state-of-U.S.-political-rhetoric
Lol at that thread! Epic fail in trying to pin the shooting on right wing antics. Turned out the guy was a pot smoking wackjob nihilist with no real political affiliation.... In fact, some of his ex-friends say he was leaning towards the left...

And still no links :p...
 
Where are the links Fazda? A tu quoqe fallacy won't help :).

I think Alan has done a pretty good job at pointing out the hypocrisy from Faux News haters. If you want to criticise Fox news (nothing wrong with that, not a fan) then at least be consistent (and not a hypocrite) and criticise other news groups doing exactly the same.
 
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Where are the links Fazda? A tu quoqe fallacy won't help :).

I think Alan has done a pretty good job at pointing out the hypocrisy from Faux News haters. If you want to criticise Fox news (nothing wrong with that, not a fan) then at least be consistent (and not a hypocrite) and criticise other news groups doing exactly the same.

Ahh sorry, now we have an Alan fanboi, coming in to the fray. Alan has made it quite clear in many of his Obama bashing threads, where his sentiments lie. If Fox continues to bash Obama the way it does, then Alan will continue to believe every word of theirs. Actually no need for links, just a little bit of common sense when reading some of his posts.

Of course Alan will now say that this is an "ad hominem" remark, as he always does when he actually cannot answer a question. If you want to join in feel free, I'm sure Allie boy will love the company.

Here's a nice link for you two to start digging for dirt on Obama...full of it!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html
 
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Alan fanboi? Lol no, sorry, those kind of fallacies won't work :(. It's dishonest. Feel free to pop those links as asked :).
 
Alan fanboi? Lol no, sorry, those kind of fallacies won't work :(. It's dishonest. Feel free to pop those links as asked :).

Alan fanboi, you are, right down to his style of posting. Go and have some fun drooling over the Fox link that I posted, there is plenty for you to dig into there. Just like Alan, you also don't bother to read what I said, as to why I see him as a Fox fan - here is what I said, in case you missed it
Actually no need for links, just a little bit of common sense when reading some of his posts.

If you wish to dig through his garbage by all means do so - he's got about 35000 odd posts for you to study.

Personally I have better things to do on a Sunday afternoon. Have a nice day.
 
Yeah, I also have better things to do than listen to someone telling someone else they're an "Alan-fanboi" lol. Like that actually means anything.

Enjoy the day.
 
Ugh...

Listen there are plenty of examples of both sides being very hypocritical, logically inconsistant and spewing propaganda nonsense.

I like Dr No, don't agree with every single thing he advocates but certainly with most of the major issues, but more importantly I like his consistancy. He has had the same message/ideology for as long as anyone can remember, and it hasn't mattered to him whether or not his view is popular or not with the mainstream. In other words, he isn't a sell out.

Fox News do spew some rubbish and the example I gave shows that. On the other hand there are programs on Fox such as the Judge's Freedom Watch which has a pro-libertarian streak and is very favourable towards people like Ron Paul, despite the "mainstream" part of the network not really getting behind Paul. If you want to position yourself as the "conservative" network, pro-market, pro-individual freedom/rights, small government etc. then the most conservative member of the Republican party is Dr Paul and logically you would expect the news channel to get behind him.

They don't, which means the true conservative ideology is not really what Republicans are about these days. Republicans just want their version of big government instead of the democrats version thats all. There are examples of Republican candidates in the Bush era (Incl. Bush if my memory serves) that promote a kind of National Healthcare System, similar to Obama's. So when the mainstream Republicans are so against Obama's healthcare plans, I find it a little hypocritical, even if I am also against any form of socialism, healthcare, you name it.

In other words, there is a lot of talk, not a lot of walk.

I also can show you this example of Ms Rachel Maddow, comparing people who protest against the government to terrorists....Ms "liberal" Maddow lumped together these groups in an attempt to demonstrate how being anti-state is akin to being like the others...

"One can easily guess Robinson's answer to Maddow's largely rhetorical question, but let's rewind just a bit, and note the smearing methodology employed here: the classic amalgam. Grouped together in one intellectual package deal are:

* "antigovernment" activists

* white supremacists out to kill the President,

* antiabortion fanatics out to kill abortionists,

* and crazed anti-Semites out to attack the Holocaust Museum.

One of these things is not like the others, and Maddow — no dummy — knows it. "

So whilst Maddow has on more than one occassion, correctly criticised Obama's foreign policy (Still Pro-war despite the "change" he was supposed to bring), she then goes and criticises people who are anti-state in general. I find that shockingly hypocritical.

So there are plenty of examples of propaganda pushing news groups from both sides, unfortunately people just need to own up to that fact, even if the news station is pushing "their" ideology, they should have the brains and hopefully the courage to say, "Stop, that is wrong."

Unfortunately people don't have the courage to admit that. If you were outspoken against Bush's foreign policy, you should be equally as outspoken against Obama's, perhaps even MORE as he ran as a pro-peace candidate.
 
Ugh...

Listen there are plenty of examples of both sides being very hypocritical, logically inconsistant and spewing propaganda nonsense.

I like Dr No, don't agree with every single thing he advocates but certainly with most of the major issues, but more importantly I like his consistancy. He has had the same message/ideology for as long as anyone can remember, and it hasn't mattered to him whether or not his view is popular or not with the mainstream. In other words, he isn't a sell out.

Fox News do spew some rubbish and the example I gave shows that. On the other hand there are programs on Fox such as the Judge's Freedom Watch which has a pro-libertarian streak and is very favourable towards people like Ron Paul, despite the "mainstream" part of the network not really getting behind Paul. If you want to position yourself as the "conservative" network, pro-market, pro-individual freedom/rights, small government etc. then the most conservative member of the Republican party is Dr Paul and logically you would expect the news channel to get behind him.

They don't, which means the true conservative ideology is not really what Republicans are about these days. Republicans just want their version of big government instead of the democrats version thats all. There are examples of Republican candidates in the Bush era (Incl. Bush if my memory serves) that promote a kind of National Healthcare System, similar to Obama's. So when the mainstream Republicans are so against Obama's healthcare plans, I find it a little hypocritical, even if I am also against any form of socialism, healthcare, you name it.

In other words, there is a lot of talk, not a lot of walk.

I also can show you this example of Ms Rachel Maddow, comparing people who protest against the government to terrorists....Ms "liberal" Maddow lumped together these groups in an attempt to demonstrate how being anti-state is akin to being like the others...

"One can easily guess Robinson's answer to Maddow's largely rhetorical question, but let's rewind just a bit, and note the smearing methodology employed here: the classic amalgam. Grouped together in one intellectual package deal are:

* "antigovernment" activists

* white supremacists out to kill the President,

* antiabortion fanatics out to kill abortionists,

* and crazed anti-Semites out to attack the Holocaust Museum.

One of these things is not like the others, and Maddow — no dummy — knows it. "

So whilst Maddow has on more than one occassion, correctly criticised Obama's foreign policy (Still Pro-war despite the "change" he was supposed to bring), she then goes and criticises people who are anti-state in general. I find that shockingly hypocritical.

So there are plenty of examples of propaganda pushing news groups from both sides, unfortunately people just need to own up to that fact, even if the news station is pushing "their" ideology, they should have the brains and hopefully the courage to say, "Stop, that is wrong."

Unfortunately people don't have the courage to admit that. If you were outspoken against Bush's foreign policy, you should be equally as outspoken against Obama's, perhaps even MORE as he ran as a pro-peace candidate.

Agreed,

I occasionally defend fox news, but only because i see people perpetuating the fashionable group think meme that the channel is without merits. Yes it has major problems, which should be pointed out, but it is also one of the loudest voices for small government, low taxes, freedom etc. By not watching fox news i think people miss out on many topics which matter.

I take the best from each news outlet and ignore the bad; its really the only way to find the truth in todays world. Simply assuming left leaning channels are showing the full picture is a mistake. You need a bit of both to get an idea on what is really going on.

As a viewer, i try make each channel's obvious bias work for me. Its sad, but its really the only way until journalism on the whole improves.

This is not a time for people to be sheep.

Use CNN, Al Jazeera, Fox, BBC , Sky, etc... They all have their strengths.
 
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Agreed and well said. Also, this kind of "group think" whereby people are accused of being "fanbois" or sneered at just because you don't share the same kind of mentality is really not conducive to proper, civil discussions surrounding politics and economics. Quite childish actually, and seems to come from left, right and centre :wtf::p.
 
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