Proposal: A second formal complaint to ICASA

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Lets move quickly people. A second complaint is in order.
We wait for the public response from telkom on the last hearing, and not only do we address their commentary, critically and with quantifiable proof backup and evidence behind our defence, but we table our responses in a second complaint to ICASA. Everything that Telkom says that is questionable or has the slightest hole in it, we challenge.
Thoughts?
I know this should be in Active campaigns, but we'll move it there once the ball gets rolling.....
 
I totally agree. Telkom is planning to 'educate' ICASA about their network design. Let's hit 'em real quick. A low blow on Mr. Xolani... is in order.
 
Peapod said:
Lets move quickly people. A second complaint is in order.
We wait for the public response from telkom on the last hearing, and not only do we address their commentary, critically and with quantifiable proof backup and evidence behind our defence, but we table our responses in a second complaint to ICASA. Everything that Telkom says that is questionable or has the slightest hole in it, we challenge.
Thoughts?
I know this should be in Active campaigns, but we'll move it there once the ball gets rolling.....
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Agreed, agreed....

AND let's include the global trend where ISP's include low cost fixed line telephony in the unbundled local loop.

We need affordable low cost telephony for everyone.
 
nOhIwAy said:
Agreed, agreed....

AND let's include the global trend where ISP's include low cost fixed line telephony in the unbundled local loop.

We need affordable low cost telephony for everyone.
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brilliant point.
Come, whose in, we need an action team to work offline on this immediately. my email is info at realmccoy dot co dot za
 
I think within this we must demand an independant 3rd party at the "network design meetings"

In addition state clearly that the views of myadsl have not changed, and establish a trend of Telkom bending the truth in their favour (we know they are going to do this, we must just record this and keep repeating it until it becomes public fact)
 
In addition, Telkom's public statements that ICASA should have (illegally) shown them the report in advance, suggestions that the report wasnt released in an official way, and that ICASA allegedly was operating in an unfair way towards Telkom throughout the hearings, should be complained about (seeing as ICASA can't hit back at Telkom's attempts to smear and distort ICASA's role and process, we the public should complain on ICASA's behalf)

I get the feeling that unless these above three points are also firmly covered, they might be used by TPTB to confuse/cloud the whole issue, in the eyes of the public..
 
I think it is a good idea to keep the pressure on telskum and also to show the public that they are full of BS and will do anything to extend their bottomline. Not sure if I can be of any help, but I am willing to try :)
 
We need Kei on this, that way whatever they say can be ... wats die woord, opgevok :D
 
Which channels would we go through? It's not as if the media has taken the news in with open arms.

I hate the idea but maybe we should construct an email that we can send to friends and family urging them to send it on. Yes, it's a chain mail and i hate them, but they do reach alot of people. Something that highlights the main points with links to MYADSL and such.
 
telkom reply

We should push for a formal written response from Telkom justifying their opposition to the proposed regulations. The written response must contain hard facts about why they feel the new regulations cannot be justified.

So far, we've heard only vague arguments from Telkom. If you want to play ball, give us the hard facts.

i.e.

This is how much an DSLAM costs, we need to cover this expense
We have X capacity and Y number of users, using Z amount of bandwith
etc.
 
We need a regulation limiting "bulk discounts" to the corporates for all services to a maximum of 10%.

In another thread, it is alledged that Telkom guarentees the corporates that they will undercut the SNO by at least 10%, which boils down to attempted murder of the SNO.

Such a regulation will kill such guarantees and will force Telkom to either increase the corporate telephone costs, or decrease the "little people" rates.
 
jamieb said:
This is how much an DSLAM costs, we need to cover this expense
We have X capacity and Y number of users, using Z amount of bandwith
etc.
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Also, all the DSLAM's don't have to be repaired/maintained all at once. I hate Telkom for this.

If there's 70,000 ADSL users and each one only pays R100 per month for maintanance then it's still R7m per month! If the R404 covers the initial DSLAM and installation costs then R7m would be enough to replace 17326 ports every single month. Now I understand that there's probably other costs involved too, but what's the chance of 25% of DSLAM's needing repairs/replacement every month anyway? And that's at R100 line rental, the cheapest currently is R270. They must be pocketing craploads of money.

They have no ground to stand on as far as I'm concerned. Bastards.
 
I might suggest that perhaps a person from another operating company from overseas could add weight to the argument? This person could highlight all the technical flaws in Telkom's infrastructure/reasoning. It's just a suggestion :P.
 
The R404 is only for dispatch of the technician (time &material& petrol). With self install available this fee will fall away. The Once off fee suggested by ICASA , to cover initial DSL Capex could easily be >R100K per user for the early adopters + repair & mainanance will be closer to R404 per incident + material. Frankly it is more viable to retain DSL access fee but at a lower rate.
 
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jamieb said:
We should push for a formal written response from Telkom justifying their opposition to the proposed regulations. The written response must contain hard facts about why they feel the new regulations cannot be justified.

So far, we've heard only vague arguments from Telkom. If you want to play ball, give us the hard facts.

i.e.

This is how much an DSLAM costs, we need to cover this expense
We have X capacity and Y number of users, using Z amount of bandwith
etc.
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I hear you jamieb. ICASA should also get a third party involved to go over Telkom's response to ensure its correctness and truthfulness. Or ICASA could draft a document containing a bunch of questions that Telkom need to answer, both of which should be published :D. The public could then comment or refute Telkom's response.
 
ayanda said:
The R404 is only for dispatch of the technician (time &material& petrol). With self install available this fee will fall away. The Once off fee suggested by ICASA , to cover initial DSL Capex could easily be >R100K per user for the early adopters + repair & mainanance will be closer to R404 per incident + material. Frankly it is more viable to retain DSL access fee but at a lower rate.
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Oh come on, R100,000 per user, that's utter bullsh1t. DSLAM ports cost less than $100 per user that much I know for a fact. Besides, if that were true why doesn't it cost 8,000 pounds to start up in the UK?
 
I believe that Telkom's veiled threats after the ICASA report, should be used to open the market to all comers. Thre is no way that a whole countries most important sector can be held ransom by a monopolistic PRIVATE enterprise, especially when they make threats like that. If they shut down the Telkom side, it will take some time for competition to provide the same services. It is time for action NOW!!!!
 
To stop Telkom from merely shifting the costs to the end-user from one area to another, we should ask ICASA to regulate the rate at which bandwidth is sold to the ISP resellers. Something reasonable, like say, R5 per Gig.
 
ayanda said:
The R404 is only for dispatch of the technician (time &material& petrol). With self install available this fee will fall away. The Once off fee suggested by ICASA , to cover initial DSL Capex could easily be >R100K per user for the early adopters + repair & mainanance will be closer to R404 per incident + material. Frankly it is more viable to retain DSL access fee but at a lower rate.
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You better go to Telkom"s PR Department. Ooouups , sorry I forgot, you already from there...my regards to Mr. White!!!
 
Ayanda - Again moving away from international norms! See the new thread created to deal with your question. This thread regards a second complaint to ICASA. If you have nothing to add on that point STAY OUT and stop fudging

This sort of rhetoric only strengthen's peoples resolve. Unfortunatly I am not a network architect - but if there is anything else that can be done - let us know.

I think the idea for comment by overseas operators is excellent BTW. If possible I think it should include comment from countries similar to our own.
 
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