Protection Order

Unity

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Hi, I am seeking some advice. Not sure if this is in the correct place but here goes.
Long story.... short... Please forgive me for rambling and mixing the story, but I am so angry with this.

My son met and married xxxx she had two children from two different fathers. She farmed them off to anyone that was willing to keep them.

They got married as they had a child together, prior to this there was a domestic altercation where my son hit her. She had a protection order against my son. She left to stay with her sister, until she got on her feet. After a month of my son not seeing the child. She came back as she didn't have funds to pay rent where she was living. She dropped the chargers and said they want to try again. They went for counseling, got married and everything fell apart. She hasn't worked and they are battling. My son has been diagnosed with personality disorder at 17, he is now 32. But since 2013 he has been on the right track and stopped all his triggers etc. This too she has put in the protection order, sure she been coaxed into what to write.
And has been begging her to seek employment to help with daily living etc
She was lazy and slept until 11am while my son cared for his son, and tried to do his work as well. When he told her he will not be living this way no longer, she simply took their son and ran away. To a shelter for abused woman and children.
He filled for divorce and has been up and down to courts, social workers and anyone that could help. Seems been a male has its downfall here.
Today he went back to SAPS, to ask for some documentation he left behind. Low and behold, xxxx was there doing a protection order. She is accusing him (my son) for child abuse.....WTF... She is now with welfare, life line and making us all seem like monsters.
He has taken nappies and and and... to life line centre begging anyone to tell him is his son ok. All they say is he is safe. That little boy must be so sad, he was and will always be a daddy's boy. He dropped of their clothing and more nappies. Again been told, don't worry we taking care of everything.
I have never seen a more loving person than him, with his son.

While she was pregnant with baby, she smoked 30 cigarettes per day and drank way too much. I didn't want to say much, so stood back. She told us that if my son ever left her she would give the child up for adoption. When she was pregnant she wanted to have an abortion. We all begged her and promised to help. We kept our side up. They live on my property in a flatlet.

The courts don't seem eager to assist him, and look down at him. Social workers simply put the phone down on him. SAPS ignore his requests, life line refuses to listen to him, it has been 33 days since he last saw his son.

My son has disciplined his son, with a tap on his bottom. Has yelled at him when he was bout to put a fork into a plug.
She has screamed at the child, kept him indoors. Didn't bath him, washed him down said he not dirty. But the best of all is she left her steaming cup of coffee on a side table and my grandson burnt himself. She refused to take him to the clinic or hospital said it not so bad.

Where does this stop, what should my son do. He seems lost and says what the use men never win.... He can not afford legal advice. And has asked me not to get too involved, she is a snake and will use that against him as well.

If anyone has some advice for us please.

Thanking you in advance.
 
There isn't an easy answer. Only one of the three fathers was stupid enough to marry her.

He would need to spend cash on lawyer to assist. If he is struggling financially then not sure. Does he have legal aid?

Your son has to be stable and mature enough to know it is a failed relationship, and not this back and forth I love you hate you crap.
he will have to spend money on lawyers and get a divorce
he has to be mature enough to let her go once custody has been resolved.
he has to be mature enough to know he doesn't love her but was pussy-struck and the one idiot of the 3 fathers to marry her and his focus has to be to get out
He can't just cut her off but has to be mature and willing to say this love hate crap ends and move out her bed.
He has to let go of being the feminine in the relationship which causes him to lash out or triggered as you call it. He has to be a man and grow up. He has to be a father and look after the best interest of the child. Flush that b's cigarettes down the toilet every f'in day. Don't lash out once. It is his house (although your flat) so b should follow his rules but not by lash out but be a man dammit

If he isn't in that mindset there isn't a solution.
 
OP do you mind becoming a mom again? When little one becomes older maybe you should bond and try look after the child more. If she is truely a b who doesn't give a **** for the health of the child she won't have much interest in looking after a child 24 hours a day

I say this because she has 3 kids with 3 different other fathers so she is obviously just repeating a dysfunctional pattern. If your son is not a pussy and divorces her, he will just become father of child 3 and not the meek husband role anymore. When she is not getting physical love from someone she will then repeat her patterns of finding another person to bang her up if she is still attractive.
 
Thank You... Thank You... Thank You....

He is divorcing her, and trust everything that has been said here we have told him much the same. We told him, he was dum enough to marry her and now she thinks she is the puppet master.....

He has been to legal aid and they said if she doesn't have some one to represent her they can't assist... damit feels like a hopeless case. However none of us are giving up.... would he be able to apply at the courts for legal assistance?

He has let go, and says and shows he no longer want to be part of her life, but realizes as long as there is a child it will be for the best to be polite and not step out of line.

As for watching over or looking after my grandchild, I would do it in a heartbeat... I feel I am a young enough granny lol... when he was here he used to come knock on my door soft enough for me to hear... "nanny nanny open" dam I miss that.but back the story at hand... I would go to the ends of the earth for my kids. No they not spoiled brats, it is mothers love.... I have taught them to stand on their own two feet, but will help or assist when or where I can...

Thank you everyone for the replies, it helped me and is just what I needed to help me focus again...
 
He has been to legal aid and they said if she doesn't have some one to represent her they can't assist... damit feels like a hopeless case. However none of us are giving up.... would he be able to apply at the courts for legal assistance?
that is utter BS, they have to assist him, which legal aid centre did you go to? if everyone has to have legal representation to proceed with legal processes, everyone will attempt to avoid legal action like that. you have to be clear on what you want legal aid to assist you with. if you want to have visitation rights tell them that and they have to assist you, otherwise complain to the manager at legal aid.

i would also highly recommend the Wits Law Clinic, they are very helpfull and you will have access to some of the best legal minds
 
Difficult situation, ultimately it is always the child that suffers.

Would the Mom consider placing the child in your care (I think welfare can assist with this) until divorce and custody is resolved or is the situation too complex?

All the best op, hope that there is a solution and ending that benefits your grandson.
 
OP, I can't give you advice, but I can share my experience with you. In Jan 2015 I filled for divorce and for primary custody. My lawyer informed me then that it could be a losing battle. March we had the an interview with the family advocate so that they can recommend where the children would stay as our only dispute was the children. In May I went to see a social worker regarding my children. I filled in forms that they need to investigate that my children was not currently staying in a place of safe haven. My case came forth in August at the Children's Court. They instructed us both to go for psychology evaluation. In August I've received the family advocate's report that they recommend her for primary custody. That's when she then reallocated out of town and I could only see them once a month due to the distance. In 2016 she filled protection order against me and maintenance order because according to her I called a whore and according to her I broke my daughter arm (she fell from the stairs while playing with her cousins). I went to court regarding the maintenance order and protection order with all my proof of payments and luckily the psychological evaluation report (which indicated that she was a risk for the children). That is when she realised that her chances are becoming slim for final custody. At the end we settle divorce according to my terms and even the Children's Court placed the children in my care. I think I was lucky because I had a good social worker and also the psychological evaluation that was done via the court.
 
I can't say much other than I feel for the little boy, really heartbreaking
 
OP, I can't give you advice, but I can share my experience with you. In Jan 2015 I filled for divorce and for primary custody. My lawyer informed me then that it could be a losing battle. March we had the an interview with the family advocate so that they can recommend where the children would stay as our only dispute was the children. In May I went to see a social worker regarding my children. I filled in forms that they need to investigate that my children was not currently staying in a place of safe haven. My case came forth in August at the Children's Court. They instructed us both to go for psychology evaluation. In August I've received the family advocate's report that they recommend her for primary custody. That's when she then reallocated out of town and I could only see them once a month due to the distance. In 2016 she filled protection order against me and maintenance order because according to her I called a whore and according to her I broke my daughter arm (she fell from the stairs while playing with her cousins). I went to court regarding the maintenance order and protection order with all my proof of payments and luckily the psychological evaluation report (which indicated that she was a risk for the children). That is when she realised that her chances are becoming slim for final custody. At the end we settle divorce according to my terms and even the Children's Court placed the children in my care. I think I was lucky because I had a good social worker and also the psychological evaluation that was done via the court.


Wonder why she was given custody if the psychological evaluation showed she was a risk for the children?
 
According my experience the mother automatically gets custody unless she agrees that the children stays with their father. The mother can almost be a drug/alcohol addict but as long as children is fed and going to school, the father doesn't have a strong case. Also the family advocate was useless as my ex did tried to commit suicide and she also fed the dog "two step" but that was not a problem at all for them. It took them 6 months to complete their report.

Even my lawyer warned me beforehand that they took their time, that's why I've started to took matters in my own hands.
 
According my experience the mother automatically gets custody unless she agrees that the children stays with their father. The mother can almost be a drug/alcohol addict but as long as children is fed and going to school, the father doesn't have a strong case. Also the family advocate was useless as my ex did tried to commit suicide and she also fed the dog "two step" but that was not a problem at all for them. It took them 6 months to complete their report.

Even my lawyer warned me beforehand that they took their time, that's why I've started to took matters in my own hands.

She killed your dog???

Crazy be crazy - it's horrible to think she has the children but yes, i've also heard the mother usually gets custody.
 
Yet again thank you, so nice to know we not in this crappy boat alone.
Our biggest concern is my grandson.

Thank you for pressing the issue my son is at legal aid again right now. The area we in is the Vaal....

As for her letting my grandson come live with us until after the divorce, she has said I am too old. (52) hello I am in the best time of my dam life... dum female. Her motive is that only she knows the childs needs. Yet at the age of 2 he hardly even speaks, she doesn't sit and teach him things or play cars or ball with him. She sits in the sun on her mobile chatting and baba runs around playing with our dogs, or comes to me.

Some good news happened since my last posting, social worker phoned my son and we allowed to see my grandson next Wednesday at 11am. I am sure it will be supervised, but don't care... we getting to see baba... so excited right now.

What saddens me most is that today so many more fathers really want to be part of a child's life and for some dam reason the mom thinks, they gave birth to the child and it is their possession.

Then make it so hard for daddy's to partake in a child's life, years later telling the innocent child... YOUR DADDY DIDN'T LOVE YOU...

OMG, I wish they would wake up and see what they doing to a child...
 
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[-]Damn, she sounds like the kind of women I used to attract in my single days. What's her number[/-]
 
SOME NEWS...

My son went to legal Aid and they are representing him in court. The soon to be X got herself a lawyer. And they wanting to send some one out to assess the estate... whahaha she is so funny for real. Will add in more of this when this takes place.

Finally they have allowed my son to see his son. 2 hours supervised visit.

I rode with in hopes to have a glance of my grandson. I was called in and said come join. I sat in for 15 minutes, as I know my son needed his alone time with his boy. Yet when it was time to leave his son didn't want to let his daddy go... he was screaming, bit the social worker as she was trying to pry him away from his daddy. I have never seen my son look so sad and angry at the same time

Court date is for the 13th Oct.
Just wanted to say thanks to all the input you guys have given me.
Will add in as I get more info..
 
Must be painful to leave a crying child, one who wants and needs you/your son.
 
@Unity

No the same but similar:-
When my daughter was 2 and after a divorce my ex decided to move to Zambia with her new boyfriend. I was gutted, and although the agreement was 50/50 custody there was nothing I could do at that stage.
I could only speak to her by phone and it was once a week and we were both balling most of the time. The agreement was she would fly down for a week every 3 months.
I was sent a photo after about two months of my little girl on top of a jetboat on the river and apart from the danger she was looking thin.

I immediately contacted my ex's parents and informed them i was going to fight and get full custody. Their reaction was they never wanted to or could interfere but were awaiting my approach and were fully behind me. My ex father-in-law was one of the highest Judges at the time.

There were little or no arguments and I got full custody and my daughter back before 3 months were over. She is now turning 21 in Dec and we are like the best of friends and I love her with everything. We were the A team and it was hard but a pleasure bringing her up as a single dad from almost three till she was 15 when I met my now wife, whom was also wonderful to my daughter.

Never give up and there is always hope. The right time will come and they will be 1.
 
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