PS5 Dominates in the States

SauRoNZA said:
Your statement was “PS5 dominates in the States” and I illustrated how that’s simply not true based on the lack of data.

You also stated it’s not looking good for Xbox, while completely ignoring their vision of not being focused on hardware…while only using hardware as a metric.

So your very thread title chose a narrative and pre-determined a victor without the data to support it.

Another example if every PS5 console sale only averages 1 software sale, but every Xbox sold averages 1 perpetual Game Pass sub and Nintendo sells two games per Switch who is really dominating?

And again why isn’t Apple the one dominating? Just because it’s a subscription and not a sale?

End of the day the point is that the metrics are broken and don’t match the modern day landscape.
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Hey! This is great. I like the discourse.

I'm not for splitting hairs here, but I did end off one of my posts with "wishing for the old NPD days" or something like that. Us armchair analysts (...) need the data, you know.

Given the data that we have, yes Sony is "winning". I'm saying that as a Nintendo-only gamer. I have no horse in this race, do not care who "wins", etc etc etc. But I do love talking about sales in the console gaming space. For all intent and purposes one can correctly claim that Android and Apple based platforms are the true winners here, based on the sheer amount of devices and software and microtransactions being bought.

And making up scenarios? Cmon guys! Rather work with the scantily clad data than hypotheticals. Altho I have to admit, it is nogal fun to throw these around.

I think it's time to deploy the Gaming Journo signal: @CataclysmZA Kom in kwagga! alpha-bravo-charlie!
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Nobody takes Nintendo seriously, not even Phil. That puppy dog face in court was just that. If you want a peek at Sony's future then look no further than Nintendo.
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OI!!!!
Switch does count, just us much as Steamdeck does for that matter.
Some people see them as their primary consoles.

Mike Hoxbig said:
They'll sell their hardware in a niche market for people to play their exclusives on, and not much else. The main 3rd party publishers will be on Game Pass. EA Play is already included, and PS owners have to pay full price for those games.

Let's say Ubisoft is bought up next, apart from EA who does that leave still publishing on PS? Sega, Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, Namco and Take 2? Sounds fun, hope you enjoy Japanese 3rd party games. This is the real issue...
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Interesting added notes:
Ubisoft+ Classic is on PS+ Extra
EA Play is only on GamePass Ultimate (Core/PC/Console Does not)

Having both Gamepass Ultimate and PS+ Extra I can say there is a crapload of overlap between them and I almost see them as the same. The only thing that set GamePass apart is the day one drops. To date there have been very few Day One drops that really made it worth it (For me). I would have canceled if I had to pay full Per Month price, Microsoft should really work on getting that number up. /me Looking at Starfield....

Also to add, unlike Microsoft, Sony's monthly PS Plus core drops really made it worth it to stay subed.

Edit: Easy Access to both inventory:
platprices.com

PS Plus Extra Game List — 163 Games

The full PlayStation Plus Extra game list — 163 PS4 & PS5 titles included with PS Plus Extra at no extra cost. Trophy difficulty, time to platinum and PSN price for every game, sortable and updated daily.
platprices.com platprices.com

Edit2: To add to my previous comment on competition being great, I don't think Sony's "PS Now" would have evolved to the point it is at, if it wasn't for GamePass
 
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Barbarian Conan said:
Game streaming subscribers :laugh:
Streaming offering a comparable experience to local hardware is still some time off.

As much as I am an MS fanboy, they are usually premature with their tech.
Sony and Nintendo take slower and more measured responses. By the time streaming is a viable option instead of local hardware (I guess at least 10 years away), Sony and Nintendo will be on the bandwagon and catch up quick. The game will still be the same - those with better content will win.
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Yeah poor choice of words, but I'm obviously referring to PS+ and GP...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Nobody takes Nintendo seriously, not even Phil. That puppy dog face in court was just that. If you want a peek at Sony's future then look no further than Nintendo.

They'll sell their hardware in a niche market for people to play their exclusives on, and not much else. The main 3rd party publishers will be on Game Pass. EA Play is already included, and PS owners have to pay full price for those games.
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It was the other way around actually. MS wanted Nintendo included in the discussion as their whole play was on making themselves look third. And I'm not sure why you are discrediting Nintendo...they posted record results this year. They might be smaller but they are pretty much untouchable and like Sony, understand the value of good IP.

  • Nintendo reported revenue for the June quarter of 461.34 billion yen ($3.2 billion), rising 50% year-on-year.
  • Nintendo saw a boost from the “The Super Mario Bros. Movie,” based on the company’s best-known characters, which has generated more than $1 billion at the box office since its April release.
  • The Japanese gaming giant also released a highly-anticipated game called “The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom” in May, which it said was the fastest selling title in the history of the series.
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Mike Hoxbig said:
Let's say Ubisoft is bought up next, apart from EA who does that leave still publishing on PS? Sega, Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, Namco and Take 2? Sounds fun, hope you enjoy Japanese 3rd party games. This is the real issue...
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That's a nice bit of FUD in my opinion. I understand it's a fanboys wet dream to have all 3rd party publishers owned by MS (to finally show that Sony!) but we're far from that point and there will always be good games coming to PS, no matter what MS does.
 
AlphaJohn said:
OI!!!!
Switch does count, just us much as Steamdeck does for that matter.
Some people see them as their primary consoles.



Interesting added notes:
Ubisoft+ Classic is on PS+ Extra
EA Play is only on GamePass Ultimate (Core/PC/Console Does not)

Having both Gamepass Ultimate and PS+ Extra I can say there is a crapload of overlap between them and I almost see them as the same. The only thing that set GamePass apart is the day one drops. To date there have been very few Day One drops that really made it worth it (For me). I would have canceled if I had to pay full Per Month price, Microsoft should really work on getting that number up. /me Looking at Starfield....

Also to add, unlike Microsoft, Sony's monthly PS Plus core drops really made it worth it to stay subed.

Edit: Easy Access to both inventory:
platprices.com

PS Plus Extra Game List — 163 Games

The full PlayStation Plus Extra game list — 163 PS4 & PS5 titles included with PS Plus Extra at no extra cost. Trophy difficulty, time to platinum and PSN price for every game, sortable and updated daily.
platprices.com platprices.com

Edit2: To add to my previous comment on competition being great, I don't think Sony's "PS Now" would have evolved to the point it is at, if it wasn't for GamePass
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The interesting thing for me, and I know this relates very much to the type of games you want to play… but that’s also why you got an Xbox is that the Day One releases essentially makes Game Pass free, or the games free depending how you want to look at it.

What I mean is that if I was going to buy Gears, Halo, Forza anyway the cost of those pays for Game Pass for a number of years and therefore it only really needs one every 6 months and in between smaller games are a bonus.

The only game I bought outside of Game Pass in the last few years was Diablo 4 and had I not been for the court dramas that would have been on Game Pass too.

PS+ I can’t really say I’ve used at all. Sure I download all the things but since I got the PS5 the only thing I’ve really played was Horizon which came with the console. I could have spent that money outright instead and gotten better value.

My kids have used PS+ more extensively which is course it’s own value proposition, but the I’d also have to offset that with the fact they jam far more Xbox and their most played game is the free Astro that comes with the console.

In a sort of Game Time per Rand measure the PS5 is proving very expensive in my house and even considering I have two Xboxes in the house it still wins out on value.

Again, that changes very quickly for the types of games you want to play.

PS5 still doesn’t have a real Gears, Halo or Forza equivalent. While the exclusives may be few on Xbox they are unparalleled. Similarly Xbox does lack a God of War.
 
SauRoNZA said:
PS5 still doesn’t have a real Gears, Halo or Forza equivalent. While the exclusives may be few on Xbox they are unparalleled. Similarly Xbox does lack a God of War.
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Basically, both were a kind of waste in my house (But I got both cheaply so does not really matter.)

Past 2 years my big spending was games like Hogwats, Horizen Forbidden West, Zelda TOTK, Diablo 4 and such. None of them made it to any Sub... :(

I did play "Free" games like High on life and Stray but Most time was spend on bought games.
 
prod said:
It was the other way around actually. MS wanted Nintendo included in the discussion as their whole play was on making themselves look third. And I'm not sure why you are discrediting Nintendo...they posted record results this year. They might be smaller but they are pretty much untouchable and like Sony, understand the value of good IP.

That's a nice bit of FUD in my opinion. I understand it's a fanboys wet dream to have all 3rd party publishers owned by MS (to finally show that Sony!) but we're far from that point and there will always be good games coming to PS, no matter what MS does.
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Exactly, he wanted Nintendo included because it suits his narrative. Poor us, we're 3rd, we need to compete so please let us buy Activision.

You're reading it wrong, I don't want MS to buy up everything. All the "free" stuff is awesome for now, but it puts them in a position to do as they please later on. Their excuse will be that they don't/can't compete on hardware, and use Sony's own gloating about hardware sales against them.

I want Sony to compete on the same playing field, so that they push each other. This way everyone wins.
AlphaJohn said:
OI!!!!
Switch does count, just us much as Steamdeck does for that matter.
Some people see them as their primary consoles.



Interesting added notes:
Ubisoft+ Classic is on PS+ Extra
EA Play is only on GamePass Ultimate (Core/PC/Console Does not)

Having both Gamepass Ultimate and PS+ Extra I can say there is a crapload of overlap between them and I almost see them as the same. The only thing that set GamePass apart is the day one drops. To date there have been very few Day One drops that really made it worth it (For me). I would have canceled if I had to pay full Per Month price, Microsoft should really work on getting that number up. /me Looking at Starfield....

Also to add, unlike Microsoft, Sony's monthly PS Plus core drops really made it worth it to stay subed.

Edit: Easy Access to both inventory:
platprices.com

PS Plus Extra Game List — 163 Games

The full PlayStation Plus Extra game list — 163 PS4 & PS5 titles included with PS Plus Extra at no extra cost. Trophy difficulty, time to platinum and PSN price for every game, sortable and updated daily.
platprices.com platprices.com

Edit2: To add to my previous comment on competition being great, I don't think Sony's "PS Now" would have evolved to the point it is at, if it wasn't for GamePass
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Agreed about the competition being good for PS+.

But it still has a way to go. GPU is cheaper than PS+ Extra, has EA Play and has first party games upon release. Also has a selection of Ubisoft games, doesn't matter if it's not branded as Ubisoft+ Classic, the main ones are there.

The quality of day one drops will improve with Bethesda and Activision. We know that any new game from them will always be day one going forward. But it's a conversation you can't even have on PS+ because there's still none.

Don't care about those 2 free games on XBL and PSN. They're usually crap anyway, and even if they weren't, you still need an active subscription to play them. So if you're subscribed to the main service then it's pointless anyway...
 
As someone apparently not in the target market.... I cannot think of a single XBOX exclusive game I really feel I am missing out on except perhaps for Perfect Dark Zero.

XBOX basically is not in the race for me but that's specifically because it emulates badly. I am not going to buy the same HW 5 times over.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Let's say Ubisoft is bought up next, apart from EA who does that leave still publishing on PS? Sega, Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, Namco and Take 2? Sounds fun, hope you enjoy Japanese 3rd party games. This is the real issue...
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Suppose this puts a new spin on things:

blogs.microsoft.com

Microsoft and Activision Blizzard Restructure Proposed Acquisition

In January 2022, Microsoft announced the proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Inc., to advance our goal to bring more creative and innovative games to players everywhere and on any device. Today, we are taking another important step regarding this transaction.
blogs.microsoft.com blogs.microsoft.com

This includes executing an agreement effective at the closing of our merger that transfers the cloud streaming rights for all current and new Activision Blizzard PC and console games released over the next 15 years to Ubisoft Entertainment SA, a leading global game publisher. The rights will be in perpetuity.
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Esp if Sony buys them :D

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Can totally see that happening. Its what they paid for Bungie.
 
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While you people are fighting your own console war, let me remind you. It seems that you all deliberately or maybe you genuinely forgot that: Back in 2019 . . .

Microsoft and Sony are teaming up for the future of gaming​

Microsoft and Sony unveiled a surprising partnership last week that will see the companies collaborate to develop future cloud solutions for game and content-streaming services. While both companies have spent more than 15 years battling it out over PlayStation and Xbox sales, Sony is now looking to Microsoft’s vast cloud experience to help power its existing and future streaming services, and Microsoft is teaming with a rival to fend off far larger gaming threats.
It was a big surprise for fans of both Xbox and PlayStation. Bloomberg reports that the agreement even shocked Sony’s own PlayStation team, which apparently wasn’t made aware of the discussions. Talks between the firms have been ongoing since last year, and Sony has started to show it’s open to working with Microsoft and others.
The announcement seems to have been prompted by one thing in particular: Google’s reveal of its Stadia cloud streaming service. Google is planning to leverage its hugely popular YouTube platform to let people click and instantly play games in their browsers or on their phones. This ease of use and Google’s web dominance have clearly unnerved both Microsoft and Sony.

www.theverge.com

Microsoft and Sony are teaming up for the future of gaming

It’s all about Xbox and PlayStation beating Amazon and Google
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
RazedInBlack said:
While you people are fighting your own console war, let me remind you. It seems that you all deliberately or maybe you genuinely forgot that: Back in 2019 . . .

Microsoft and Sony are teaming up for the future of gaming​

Microsoft and Sony unveiled a surprising partnership last week that will see the companies collaborate to develop future cloud solutions for game and content-streaming services. While both companies have spent more than 15 years battling it out over PlayStation and Xbox sales, Sony is now looking to Microsoft’s vast cloud experience to help power its existing and future streaming services, and Microsoft is teaming with a rival to fend off far larger gaming threats.
It was a big surprise for fans of both Xbox and PlayStation. Bloomberg reports that the agreement even shocked Sony’s own PlayStation team, which apparently wasn’t made aware of the discussions. Talks between the firms have been ongoing since last year, and Sony has started to show it’s open to working with Microsoft and others.
The announcement seems to have been prompted by one thing in particular: Google’s reveal of its Stadia cloud streaming service. Google is planning to leverage its hugely popular YouTube platform to let people click and instantly play games in their browsers or on their phones. This ease of use and Google’s web dominance have clearly unnerved both Microsoft and Sony.

www.theverge.com

Microsoft and Sony are teaming up for the future of gaming

It’s all about Xbox and PlayStation beating Amazon and Google
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
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Dont know if that deal is still happening. Sony was to place PS server blades in Azure cloud. Did not hear anything after that announcement.
 
AlphaJohn said:
Suppose this puts a new spin on things:

blogs.microsoft.com

Microsoft and Activision Blizzard Restructure Proposed Acquisition

In January 2022, Microsoft announced the proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Inc., to advance our goal to bring more creative and innovative games to players everywhere and on any device. Today, we are taking another important step regarding this transaction.
blogs.microsoft.com blogs.microsoft.com



Esp if Sony buys them :D

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Can totally see that happening. Its what they paid for Bungie.
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I think that's part of the court settlement, that Activision games must be made available on rival cloud platforms. Whether it will be "free" or not is a different issue.

I'm surprised Sony haven't already bought Ubi. They actually should have done that rather Bungie. Ubi's games are a lot closer aligned to Sony's own first party games...
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
I think that's part of the court settlement, that Activision games must be made available on rival cloud platforms. Whether it will be "free" or not is a different issue.

I'm surprised Sony haven't already bought Ubi. They actually should have done that rather Bungie. Ubi's games are a lot closer aligned to Sony's own first party games...
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Bungie I think was to spite MS and thinking Destiny 2 was enough
 
AlphaJohn said:
That sale made no sense.
Leaving Activision....just to join Sony a year later.

www.polygon.com

Bungie splits with Activision, acquires rights to Destiny

Future Destiny games will be self-published by Bungie
www.polygon.com www.polygon.com

Looking at Destiny now vs then, I think Activision was waaay more lenient on cash shop than Sony?
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It makes sense, Bungie has a track record of some awesome multiplayer games and that is what they can assist the other Sony dev teams with.
 
Sarg3_ZN said:
It makes sense, Bungie has a track record of some awesome multiplayer games and that is what they can assist the other Sony dev teams with.
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Also to help with the lack of FPS games on PS.

But then again Ubisoft could have done the same. They have experience with FPS (Far Cry) and multiplayer (The Division), RPG (Watch Dogs) etc. And a far more comprehensive catalogue of well received games.

Bungie made sense, but Ubisoft would have made more sense...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Also to help with the lack of FPS games on PS.

But then again Ubisoft could have done the same. They have experience with FPS (Far Cry) and multiplayer (The Division), RPG (Watch Dogs) etc. And a far more comprehensive catalogue of well received games.

Bungie made sense, but Ubisoft would have made more sense...
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Sony is heavily investing in live service, and Bungie has ton of experience in that and own valuable IP. The deal made absolute sense in that regard.

Ubisoft is also a pretty bloated company and is partly owned by Tencent, not sure they would ever want to sell tbh
 
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