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What else is new? The refereeing in our league has gone to the dogs. Was impressed with Pirates though. They could have at least hit 4 against Cape Town City.
 
6spdmanual said:
What else is new? The refereeing in our league has gone to the dogs. Was impressed with Pirates though. They could have at least hit 4 against Cape Town City.
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The refereeing throughout the world is bad. The two local refs who are decent are Victor Gomes and Luxolo Badi. It was even mentioned the other day that Gomes has been shortlisted to ref at the World Cup.
 
6spdmanual said:
What else is new? The refereeing in our league has gone to the dogs. Was impressed with Pirates though. They could have at least hit 4 against Cape Town City.
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Aren't referees still armatures? That should have been changed years ago.
 
cr@zydude said:
Aren't referees still armatures? That should have been changed years ago.
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But how is that going to assist, we should get on with technology, as much as I understand the frustration, they are just human and will continue making mistakes.

It's slightly annoying to see commentators inflaming the situation even more, while having the benefit of watching the slow motion replays.
 
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TheChamp said:
But how is that going to assist, we should get on with technology, as much as I understand the frustration, they are just human and will continue making mistakes.

It's slightly annoying to see commentators inflaming the situation even more, while the benefit of watching the slow motion replays.
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Pro refs could spend their days honing their craft, rather than teaching school children or doing office work. Imagine how **** the players would be if they had to hold down day jobs rather than go to training.
 
AmaZulu is actually looking good. Benni has made a marked difference since he tookover. If Sandile Zungu continues to pump money into the club, it can be league winning worthy in 2-3 years.
 
TheChamp said:
Thoughts on Swallows? they have weathered te storm and we are half way through the season.
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Truter has done well but they just don't have the strength is depth to challenge Sundowns. Top four is definitely realistic though. Truter might now be on the radar of Chiefs and Pirates if Hunt or Zinnbauer get fired.
 
I'm surprised that Keet has remained a free-agent for so long. He probably is waiting for an opening at one of the big three? Mweene and Sandilands are pushing 40 and their clubs will move them on soon, which will create an opening for him.

He does not seem the type that will settle for a mid-table PSL club.
 
Khune is done. Chiefs may as well offload him and get a new keeper, especially as he is commanding a big salary which they could probably use to pay off 2-3 up and coming talents. Akpeyi has not done enough to prove his worth and while Keet is available, I'm not sure if he and Gavin Hunt made up after their Wits fight.

Maybe they can even bring in Mweene? He may be 36 but has looked strong whenever Sundowns have brought him on.
 
One of the things I struggle to understand is why some players who were developed by European clubs struggle to cut it in SA and look very average when they play in SA?

Understandably, Aaron Mokoena and Steven Piennar were poor when they ended their careers in SA (even though they were decent in Europe), due to age.

But guys like Matthew Pattison and Masilo Modubi only made a handful of appearances for Bafana and didn't look extraordinary at all. Modubi was developed at Chelsea and Pattison by Newcastle. Pattison even played in the EPL for Newcastle at the start of his career. He was hardly successful in the PSL with Sundowns and Wits.
 
Does it not prove that they were just ordinary players to begin with? Special players are special no matter their origins, Phil Masinga, Lucas and the others who played in the EPL proves my point. It also brings me back to the question you once asked about how the best teams in SA would fare in the EPL, I think the EPL is just a bunch of ordinary teams with a few exceptions, just better organized and better resourced.

What I am talking about is better illustrated in the squad of England without the foreign players, very ordinary, the smaller teams who don't have the budget for the international players are a true reflection of the English football.
 
TheChamp said:
What I am talking about is better illustrated in the squad of England without the foreign players, very ordinary, the smaller teams who don't have the budget for the international players are a true reflection of the English football.
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I'd say that Burnley is a representation of an English team would be like without players of non-European ancestry.

You used the term "foreign" in a flawed context. Players like Tammy Abraham, Marcus Rashford etc might have non-European ancestry but England is probably all they know. They would not be able to identify with the nations of their ancestors so is it fair to call them "foreign"?
 
JuliusSeizure said:
I'd say that Burnley is a representation of an English team would be like without players of non-European ancestry.

You used the term "foreign" in a flawed context. Players like Tammy Abraham, Marcus Rashford etc might have non-European ancestry but England is probably all they know. They would not be able to identify with the nations of their ancestors so is it fair to call them "foreign"?
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I mean foreign as in foreign. When I say the England without foreign players I actually meant comparing the England squad in relation to the EPL with the rich contingent of foreign and local talent.
 
TheChamp said:
It also brings me back to the question you once asked about how the best teams in SA would fare in the EPL, I think the EPL is just a bunch of ordinary teams with a few exceptions, just better organized and better resourced.
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This is actually a very interesting discussion.

My guess is that Sundowns would probably be a mid-table English Championship side. Remember that even clubs like Newcastle (who are average by English standards) are paying in excess of 100 million rand for players.

The top South African players currently are probably worth 30-40 million rand.
 
Outside, Pirates, Sundowns, SuperSport and maybe Chiefs, the other SA teams are League 1 and League 2 level.
 
TheChamp said:
It also brings me back to the question you once asked about how the best teams in SA would fare in the EPL, I think the EPL is just a bunch of ordinary teams with a few exceptions, just better organized and better resourced.
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Some players that the English clubs do produce are very average but also, Benni was overweight and struggling towards the end of his time for West Ham. He didn't even score a single competitive goal for West Ham when he was there.

He came back to SA (still out of shape) and was banging in the goals for Pirates. He probably could have gone on for a few more seasons.
 
TheChamp said:
I mean foreign as in foreign. When I say the England without foreign players I actually meant comparing the England squad in relation to the EPL with the rich contingent of foreign and local talent.
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Ah, yeah. If their league was made up of local talent, they might be able to make one world-class side (with all their top performers) which might be at the level of Chelsea currently but the rest of their sides would be at Burnley's level and below.
 
The fault lies with our local football as well, there's just no more passion from coaches to get the best out of players, talking about what the likes of Dimitri and Igesund were able to do with ordinary players like Radebe, Karyn Jordan, George Koumantarakis and the others.

I feel like coaches nowadays listen too much to commentators and social media critics, they don't seem to have any conviction of their own and they have no plan, it must be whatever they are teaching them in those coaching trainings.

I used to enjoy the simple techniques of Dolezar, Dimitri, Igesund and some of the local coaches, the strategy was simple and players understood exactly what was expected of them, nowadays you can see that players are just pitching up and all their interested in is making sure they don't annoy the coach, just do what was asked of you, even if the team losses it doesn't matter as long as the blame is not on you.
 
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