Question for vegetarians

[Replay]

If we're gonna call slaughter-for-food murder, then as the arbiters of justice, we need to eradicate every single carnivore out there for murder. Does the Lion murder the Impala?

I'm not contesting bro

 

[SmartKit]

No, this thread is intended to question why vegetarians take issue with eating meat but not other animal products. It's based on the assumption that eating meat is A Bad Thing. If you would like to discuss whether or not eating meat is A Bad Thing, that needs to go in another thread.

Now you sound like Baleka Mbete. I do not recognise your counter-argument!

 

[BCO]

Now you sound like Baleka Mbete. I do not recognise your counter-argument!

CALL TO ORDER!!!

 

[Nerfherder]

That is a very flawed argument. Long rebuttal here. Here's a counterpoint on iflscience.

Its not really a rebuttal. It just challenges the idea that vegetarians kil MORE animals.
The fact remains that a lot of wildlife is harmed with modern farming practices so you can't really get away from hurting animals.

 

[GreGorGy]

No, this thread is intended to question why vegetarians take issue with eating meat but not other animal products.

If that is what the thread is to discuss, then throwing out the death of livestock is murder for food is a judgement on meat eaters and in no way discussed other animal products. Hence my view that we can either discuss it completely, or not at all.

 

[Kalle]

the appetizing videos that BCO has posted are the reason why I'm a vegetarian.
The eggs that I eat come from my own chickens and all the diary that my family eats and drinks is certified organic.
Organic is not perfect but at least the animals are treated usually WAY better.

I also believe that everyone that eats meat should kill an animal at least once.

 

[GreGorGy]

Organic is not perfect but at least the animals are treated usually WAY better.

A vegan once told me that diary - even if organic - is equally cruel as the cows are kept in milk by regular breeding, while the calves cannot all be sustainably integrated, creating the largely vile veal industry. A calf died for your cup of milk, is what she said.

 

[w1z4rd]

I also believe that everyone that eats meat should kill an animal at least once.

Vegetarians kills more animals than meat eaters (in relation) so do they have to kill at least two or more animals?

 

[GreGorGy]

I also believe that everyone that eats meat should kill an animal at least once.

This is neither an endorsement or critique of your suggestion but it was in fact this very deed that turned my daughter into a vegetarian.

 

[Kalle]

A vegan once told me that diary - even if organic - is equally cruel as the cows are kept in milk by regular breeding, while the calves cannot all be sustainably integrated, creating the largely vile veal industry. A calf died for your cup of milk, is what she said.

sure, but organic is the way lesser evil where they keeping the animals in a species-appropriate environment and not in a dirty cage with tons of antibiotics to eat.

 

[Kalle]

This is neither an endorsement or critique of your suggestion but it was in fact this very deed that turned my daughter into a vegetarian.

I know a couple of people that turned vegetarians just from watching that deed.

 

[BCO]

Its not really a rebuttal. It just challenges the idea that vegetarians kil MORE animals.
The fact remains that a lot of wildlife is harmed with modern farming practices so you can't really get away from hurting animals.

Agreed, you can't get away from hurting animals, but a vegan diet is without a doubt the way to hurt the least animals in the course of meeting one's dietary requirements.

 

[BCO]

Vegetarians kills more animals than meat eaters (in relation)

What does that mean?

 

[BCO]

the appetizing videos that BCO has posted are the reason why I'm a vegetarian.
The eggs that I eat come from my own chickens and all the diary that my family eats and drinks is certified organic.
Organic is not perfect but at least the animals are treated usually WAY better.

I also believe that everyone that eats meat should kill an animal at least once.

Why not eschew dairy entirely?

 

[ShaunSA]

I do consider them "real" vegetarians.

But I also think that being a lacto-ovo vegetarian for ethical reasons is untenable. If you don't eat meat because you object to animal suffering then it's logically inconsistent to eat eggs or dairy. So to lacto-ovo vegetarians - why are you not ok with meat, but eggs and dairy are fine?

Fortunately I don't have ethical issues with eating meat. Heck I will even clean and cook the stuff. Eating it is a different story though. I tend to start gagging just thinking about it.

Someone once said me it was psychological and that could be true. But as it doesn't really bother me I haven't made an attempt to figure out what's behind it.

 

[BCO]

Fortunately I don't have ethical issues with eating meat. Heck I will even clean and cook the stuff. Eating it is a different story though. I tend to start gagging just thinking about it.

Someone once said me it was psychological and that could be true. But as it doesn't really bother me I haven't made an attempt to figure out what's behind it.

I can understand your position more than the ethical vegetarian position.

 

[w1z4rd]

The **** vegans use for propaganda

Using this logic, a vegans body is a compost heap.

 

[w1z4rd]

Ebola says whaaat?

 

[w1z4rd]

These pictures I posted above are what I got on my morning fb feed. lol

You will notice, almost every meme is built upon fallacious logic.

 

[MartyMarts]

Legalise cannibalism. More meat. Less hurting the furry creatures.