Racist black movement?

JustAsk said:
To be honest,there's no need for the previous advantaged to live in shacks.To have everything in this country going right for you...and still end up in a shack?What does that say about you.
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Why should that not be possible? Guy loses his job, eventually his house and car and everything.

JustAsk said:
Using colonial logic...yes.
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The mentality of "give me- give me- give me" aint helping the poor. I think that lots of the poor South African people try but give up easily(due to lack of support and certain mind sets etc)...if that makes sense lol.

Also I think that the government should actually do tons more to improve the 'poor black schools' so that they don't just get accepted into tertiary education....and then what do you know? They fail due to the lack of skills that they should of acquired during school + they end up giving up tertiary education all together. Obviously this is ten times harder in real life than in words.... :)
 
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Also I think that the government should actually do tons more to improve the 'poor black schools' so that they don't just get accepted into tertiary education
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And what, have the pupils burn down the school again?
The current mess with education or lack of proper black schools is the fault of the ANCYL directly. In the previous regime they just brunt down one school after another, violently attacked teachers even killing some and forced schools to be closed for extended periods because of strikes and whatnot. The problem is that it did not just stay in the past, at present they are doing exactly the same.

Granted the ANC does not give a hoot about their own people, but will it REALLY make a difference if they get shiny new schools to destroy, teachers who do not pitch for work, students who do no learn for exams, parents who do not discipline?
How can it be that some people can start a private school out of nothing (there are hundreds around us started by churches, parents, etc.) and have it succeed but others have to be spoon fed and still fail?
Is there not a deeper seated problem here that needs to be addressed?
It's got nothing to do with money, you can start an education system in the plakkerskamp that will suit your needs easily, but like a friend of mine used to say: "Waar daar 'n wil is daar 'n weg, die probleem is die meeste mense se wil is weg!"
 
etwylite said:
Just my observation and please not a black/white thing...We have an established 1st/3rd world mix. Those in the 1st world have less kids, educate them and concentrate on growing their wealth, those in the 3rd world have more kids, want liberation from their lot in life and struggle to survive.

The pie is only so big (taxes, electricity, resources whatever)). The more the population grows the less their is for everyone.

Why is that we do not have a concerted effort to control population growth in this country? We pay people to have baies, as opposed to not have them, these babies will grow to be old and will be a drain on state resources their entire lives.
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as you point out, educated people have less chilred. a focus on education will result in more educated people realising that it's not sustainable to have so many children. first education. the population explosion will be tempered as a natural result.
 
MyWorld said:
And what, have the pupils burn down the school again?
The current mess with education or lack of proper black schools is the fault of the ANCYL directly. In the previous regime they just brunt down one school after another, violently attacked teachers even killing some and forced schools to be closed for extended periods because of strikes and whatnot. The problem is that it did not just stay in the past, at present they are doing exactly the same.

Granted the ANC does not give a hoot about their own people, but will it REALLY make a difference if they get shiny new schools to destroy, teachers who do not pitch for work, students who do no learn for exams, parents who do not discipline?
How can it be that some people can start a private school out of nothing (there are hundreds around us started by churches, parents, etc.) and have it succeed but others have to be spoon fed and still fail?
Is there not a deeper seated problem here that needs to be addressed?
It's got nothing to do with money, you can start an education system in the plakkerskamp that will suit your needs easily, but like a friend of mine used to say: "Waar daar 'n wil is daar 'n weg, die probleem is die meeste mense se wil is weg!"
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True true
 
Slootvreter said:
Why should that not be possible? Guy loses his job, eventually his house and car and everything.
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I know two highly qualified (one has a masters in Architecture and the other is an english teacher) whites who live in shacks.

I was out of work for two years (with a masters in engineering) and was looking at the prospect of having to live in a shack. I left and walked into a job within a month.
 
MyWorld said:
You could not be more wrong. There are 70 informal white only settlements around Pretoria, in Afrikaans, 70 white "plakkerskampe".
I forgot the exact figure but there are a few million whites now living in shanties across SA, most located in the Gauteng area.
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I'm going to say that it's unlikely that even 1 million white people are living in shacks. While some white people may have ended up like that, it is still no where near the number of black people living in shacks.
 
smalltownsky said:
I realise that this is awhile back, I just think it was missed and that it still applies today seems that I hear a few people still discussing it. I have nothing against a black conscious movement, although i do question how they portray it.
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I sent them a mail asking to join:

Hello,

I am interested in joining this project. I feel it is important that
people in South Africa are given equal opportunities as much as
possible, as that is the only way to move forward as a country.

It is very important not only that previously disadvantaged areas get
schools, but that the schools have motivated teachers, and the
learners are given safe environments where they can study in peace.
This can only come through a concentrated upgrade of services in
previously disadvantaged areas.

I am fully behind any movement which aims to motivate local,
provincial and national government to improve living conditions so
that all our people can receive a high quality education. Only through
education can we all truly become rich.

Please note that I am white - I hope this does not exclude me from joining!
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No reply yet... ;-)
 
grayston said:
I sent them a mail asking to join:

No reply yet... ;-)
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they asked why i was bothering them and highlighted this for me :p :

Blackwash is a collective of blacks, by blacks and for blacks only! We stand for liberation of black people, who want to be liberated. This means amongst others self governance and equitable sharing of our natural resources. But it also means we need to find collective and democratic practices to define and arrive at our final destiny. We understand white supremacy to be at the very foundation of the world capitalist system. White supremacy organizes everyday racism, exploitation, women oppression and destruction of the life. You can’t fight white supremacy without fighting against patriarchy, capitalism, homophobia and self hate at the same time.
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also highlighted this website:

http://www.artsreview.co.za/fashion...ainbow-nation-coz-94-changed-***ol-blackwash/
 
It will never be anywhere near the number simply due to the differing population sizes...
 
ag, if any racist black movement manages to be even twice as effective as the ANC, they will still never accomplish anything.
no worries.
 
grayston said:
"F-ck Varsity ... They ain't teaching us nothing but how to be slaves and hard workers."

I think I need someone to explain this to me. Maybe it's a black thing...
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It is not a black thing. It is an idiot thing. You would likely need to remove 3/4 of your brain and go live in Parys for 6 months in order to remotely understand that type of logic.

:D
 
Moederloos said:
It is not a black thing. It is an idiot thing. You would likely need to remove 3/4 of your brain and go live in Parys for 6 months in order to remotely understand that type of logic.
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Ah, okay.

It seems the greatest threat to black consciousness movements is a University-level education! I wonder if the SASCO strikers demanding free tertiary education know about this.
 
cr@zydude said:
I'm going to say that it's unlikely that even 1 million white people are living in shacks. While some white people may have ended up like that, it is still no where near the number of black people living in shacks.
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As there are no where near as many whites as blacks in the country in total. That is not the point, the point is there are many of whites in shacks, and I will venture a guess and say we may have breached the 1mil mark, and there are even millions more blacks in shacks.

As of the census of 2001, there are 35,416,164 Black Africans
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As of July 2008, there were 5,265,300 Whites
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa

The point being that there are people on either side of the race divide that suffers and live in shacks, and things are not improving in SA.
 
It is hardly the point who is living in shacks and who is not. The point is the poor black majority continue to vote into power thieves and liars. They are making their own bed. Instead of throwing their toys every time something is not done, why not vote differently.
I feel NOTHING for them. Zip. You get what you vote for.
 
Moederloos said:
It is hardly the point who is living in shacks and who is not. The point is the poor black majority continue to vote into power thieves and liars. They are making their own bed. Instead of throwing their toys every time something is not done, why not vote differently.
I feel NOTHING for them. Zip. You get what you vote for.
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The irony is that, IF they poor black masses were given access to tertiary education, ANC support would drop like a stone.

And when I say "access", I don't mean it should necessarily be free -- I mean that the schools should be producing students who will be able to perform at a tertiary level.

On the other hand, seeing as all the "clever" ANC members jumped ship to COPE, and COPE has done absolutely bugger-all since the elections, maybe nothing will really change.
 
I did not read the entire letter (quite frankly, I have better things to do with mt time) but my impression of it is that the writer is a racist, pure and simple.

I have met many, most have been white sadly, but I have met black, colored and indian racists too. This is SA, I'm afraid, and I doubt racism will ever truly be stamped out but I think somethings need to be pointed out to some people....

1. Apartheid officially ended 16 years ago. It's not a long time ago but it is long enough that the problems we have can not possibly be Apartheid's fault. Even current racist outlooks are not Apartheid's fault. Our current problems are resultant from ignorance, nothing more.

2. SA is under governance of the ANC, when last I checked the majority of their supporters are black. Ergo the government we have is under control of the black man. SO THE LETTER IS BS FROM THE START.

3. The failures of government have nothing to do with white, colored or indian or even black people and everything to do with incompetence and corruption. So you have two choices, 1 keep voting for them, but then for the love of god, shut the f up or 2 vote in another party to see if they can do the job.

4. I'm sorry, but bitching and moaning about your lives is not goin to change anything. Why not try something new, like, I don't know, maybe working yourself to success? Just a thought though. (I lost my job 4 years ago, did i bitch and moan about it? i started doing what I can to insure my head was kept above water. Where there is a will there is a way.) Stop trying to blame others for your lot in life as you make your own choices. Maybe if you choose to work, your whole life can change.

One does get tired of all the "I'm previously disadvantaged" crap. I was told this by a20 year old the other day. BS, he has no idea what it even means. He has a better job then I've ever had.
 
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