Rage over Xbox storage issue

[Mephisto_Helix]

Well I'm an old PC gamer, so massive amounts of discs doesn't faze me much ..... a little hassle yes, but nothing to get me mad about

 

[semiautomatix]

Read again Mephisto. You misunderstood. AFAIAC 99% of non exclusives is the same practically. Thus I agree with you so far. I was referring to the issue where PS3 developers is filling a 50Gig BluRay disk with these advanced textures and interactive gaming and data as well as advanced sound and M$ is trying hard to get some messily sized game on three DVDs due to the lack of large enough disks capacity because their developers are also trying to use advanced textures and thus have a problem. Solution install a BluRay in the "X"box.

Oooh! Can I play?!?! Do you have "B"lur"a"y on your P"S"3 made by $on¥?

Lol!

 

[semiautomatix]

Well I'm an old PC gamer, so massive amounts of discs doesn't faze me much ..... a little hassle yes, but nothing to get me mad about

Agreed. And in two years it will be a non-issue.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Woop there it is! You do realise we've, long ago, given up taking you seriously, rather keeping you around for entertainment purposes? This is because you sound like a prepubescent child with your thinly masked "insults" and hissy fits. LOL! Again! Again!

Ag well, someone has to be the butt of all forum jokes. (I can't honestly believe you just compared consoles to Pokemon trading cards). *sn.igger*

So you feel it an insult if I say the "X"box is substandard. LOL Some still have to grow up it seems. Yet when you guy lodge direct insults to anyone referring to the PS3 and BluRay that's OK. Just go read any thread on the "X"box v PS3 v Blu ray and see who do the insulting. In many of those discussions I did not even partake.

Let see how you entered this discussion ( very intelligently.) and who does the insulting. Oh yeah and thanks for entertaining me.

BTW if you understand what you read you would notice it is the childish arguments that is an analogy to the pokeman games. Ag well not everyone was created the same.

Nothing to add? Suits you down to the other bones tho,

PS I love these fanbois tho, gives me lots of fun and enjoyment. Especially with the "X"box where all the FAnbois always have to be on the defense. I will hate M$ for it.

Hey dumb**s! You ARE a fanboi!

UPV word of the day: "X" box

Where does he come up with them?

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Agreed. And in two years it will be a non-issue.

That long? Then the X"Xbox is long dead. Reason is the PS3 is outselling the "X''box per month quota since the start. Soon it will overtake the "X"box and then we will all see how many "X"box owners also owns the PS3

AND THEN? I will tell you later.

 

[semiautomatix]

That long? Then the X"Xbox is long dead. Reason is the PS3 is outselling the "X''box per month quota since the start. Soon it will overtake the "X"box and then we will all see how many "X"box owners also owns the PS3

AND THEN? I will tell you later.

Woop there it is! I am overpowered by your amassment of facts, snippets and links! I am not worthy! LOL

 

[semiautomatix]

So you feel it an insult if I say the "X"box is substandard. LOL Some still have to grow up it seems. Yet when you guy lodge direct insults to anyone referring to the PS3 and BluRay that's OK. Just go read any thread on the "X"box v PS3 v Blu ray and see who do the insulting. In many of those discussions I did not even partake.

Let see how you entered this discussion ( very intelligently.) and who does the insulting. Oh yeah and thanks for entertaining me.

BTW if you understand what you read you would notice it is the childish arguments that is an analogy to the pokeman games. Ag well not everyone was created the same.

Now you're getting it! LOL - you make it so easy! Again! Again!

Pokemon! *sn.igger* I'm loving this thread!

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Ag man You are so worthy of this.

The 360 was released 17 months earlier than the ps3.

A quick search for sales reveals about 15 million PS3's sold and about 20 million xbox 360's. The PS3 was released 21 months ago, and the 360 38 months ago.

Hence:

PS3 - 15,000,000 / 21 = 714285 units per month

360 - 20,000,000 / 38 = 526315 units per month

Seems pretty obvious and easy to work out which is selling better. (Obviously this is clearly a battle for second place with the Wii being at the top. But I don't really count the Wii, with it's endless library of tennis games and Mario rehashes)

Here is my prediction, The PS3 is the overpriced toy of spoiled little rich kids. So many cannot afford it therefore the antagonism leveled at the other side of the fence. It will take over the arena as they did with the PS2 (and still do btw) The XBox 360 has a 99% chance of becoming the most expensive doorstop you've ever owned, and Nintendo think innovation means waving your hands about instead of using a joypad

Thus coming back to summarize

Seems to me the intelligence of your average console gamer regresses every year, for example please read the vitriolic replies to the following statement and refer back to all their retorts and arguments in their posts.

With the minor exception of an occasional title, 99% of games are identical on all the consoles. The idea that one is so much better than another is laughable.

Of particular interest (and indeed highly amusing) will be the attempts to explain in technical terms how the consoles differ from each other. Simply because they google snippets and try to explain what they understand. All of them is electronic experts and of course programming junkies. Then they sniiger about factual information. But let us not write off the entertainment value they offer as what they post is so laughable its not even true. Thus it keeps me entertained in-between HD DVD BluRay movies and watching my kid play games.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Oh Yeah I have to go for now,

Just a last thought. I fear most have already discovered masturbation. It's what they're w@nking over is the problem. Come on guys, that console of yours is a taker, not a giver. Find something with flesh to spunk over.

...like Paris.
Cheers

 

[semiautomatix]

Hehehe, almost, almost! Except some of the things you say are completely incorrect. I'll just write the rest off then, shall I? Well, thanks for the read but I'd hate to keep you from both your BDs.

Here are my numbers:

151,437/1 = 151,437 units per month
123,643/1 = 123,643 units per month

I'm sure you know which is which. Subjection is a b***h ain't it?

 

[UnoPanelvan]

Hehehe, almost, almost! Except some of the things you say are completely incorrect. I'll just write the rest off then, shall I? Well, thanks for the read but I'd hate to keep you from both your BDs.

Here are my numbers:

151,437/1 = 151,437 units per month
123,643/1 = 123,643 units per month

I'm sure you know which is which. Subjection is a b***h ain't it?

Ag shame, Bluff yourself, as they say Bshiit baffles brains. Mostly people more or less buy games during various stages as new features, games or price changes is released The PS3 is now lower lower as everyone waits for the latest expected 80Gig bundle. Then we will see. Shame

The fact that you cannot get away from is that the total sales over the life of the PS3 per month exceeds the total sales per month over the life of "X"box thus it is clear that the PS3 is catching up. We will speak again by Christmas. I am gonna have a laugh as by then I will own a cheap "X"box, and thus an expensive door stopper, and still have my PS3 while you guys will only be stuck with the "X"box daddy bought.

 

[Xyber]

lol, always fun to these vs thread

UnoPanelvan, is those figures correct?
PS3 - 15,000,000 / 21 = 714285 units per month
360 - 20,000,000 / 38 = 526315 units per month

I never knew that, pretty cool. So the PS3 is not selling as badly as everyone is making it out to be? Guess Japanese sails is a big contributer.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

lol, always fun to these vs thread

UnoPanelvan, is those figures correct?
PS3 - 15,000,000 / 21 = 714285 units per month
360 - 20,000,000 / 38 = 526315 units per month

I never knew that, pretty cool. So the PS3 is not selling as badly as everyone is making it out to be? Guess Japanese sails is a big contributer.

Of course Japan is the major contributor for now and notwithstanding the fact that the popularity is growing in the USA/Europe and for a long time the biggest fanboi argument was the lack of game titles. Therefore the slow growth of sales. Now the tide is slowly turning and the "X"box fanbois is now grappling for straws to dish the PS3. As the world come to realise the power of the PS3 comparatively the uptake will increase more.

Nothing wrong with the "X"box, it will find it's place soon as it will have to compete with the PS2 as an entry point console for introducing young kids to gaming.

 

[Ghost02]

I'm just going to say here what I did in the PS3/Xbox360 thread

It's like the exact opposite of Xbox vs. PS2 war. The Xbox had the hard drive, the built in ethernet jack, Xbox Live and technologically was superior pretty much across the board. The PS2 however had all the disc read errors, all the games, the head start and the fanbase and we all know how that turned out.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

I'm just going to say here what I did in the PS3/Xbox360 thread

It's like the exact opposite of Xbox vs. PS2 war. The Xbox had the hard drive, the built in ethernet jack, Xbox Live and technologically was superior pretty much across the board. The PS2 however had all the disc read errors, all the games, the head start and the fanbase and we all know how that turned out.

And now the PS3 have the technology, the HD 1080p, Very few hardware failures (Red ring), Bluray, untapped power and still the Sony might and power behind it thus with a increase in uptake of the technology in a shorter time period. There is now only a 5 million units deficit. We will see by early next year towards the end of 2009. This will be the PS3 time to rise UNLESS Microsoft wakes up and get to grips with technology.

 

[nocilah]

Ag man You are so worthy of this.

The 360 was released 17 months earlier than the ps3.

A quick search for sales reveals about 15 million PS3's sold and about 20 million xbox 360's. The PS3 was released 21 months ago, and the 360 38 months ago.

Hence:

PS3 - 15,000,000 / 21 = 714285 units per month

360 - 20,000,000 / 38 = 526315 units per month

Seems pretty obvious and easy to work out which is selling better. (Obviously this is clearly a battle for second place with the Wii being at the top. But I don't really count the Wii, with it's endless library of tennis games and Mario rehashes)

Here is my prediction, The PS3 is the overpriced toy of spoiled little rich kids. So many cannot afford it therefore the antagonism leveled at the other side of the fence. It will take over the arena as they did with the PS2 (and still do btw) The XBox 360 has a 99% chance of becoming the most expensive doorstop you've ever owned, and Nintendo think innovation means waving your hands about instead of using a joypad

Thus coming back to summarize

Seems to me the intelligence of your average console gamer regresses every year, for example please read the vitriolic replies to the following statement and refer back to all their retorts and arguments in their posts.

With the minor exception of an occasional title, 99% of games are identical on all the consoles. The idea that one is so much better than another is laughable.

Of particular interest (and indeed highly amusing) will be the attempts to explain in technical terms how the consoles differ from each other. Simply because they google snippets and try to explain what they understand. All of them is electronic experts and of course programming junkies. Then they sniiger about factual information. But let us not write off the entertainment value they offer as what they post is so laughable its not even true. Thus it keeps me entertained in-between HD DVD BluRay movies and watching my kid play games.

if the xbox were 99% guaranteed failure as you state i wonder why final fantasy is coming to xbox and rumours of tekken too.

i dont think the ps3 is a bad console, nor do i think the xbox is bad.

at the end of the day it is the enjoyment it gives.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

if the xbox were 99% guaranteed failure as you state i wonder why final fantasy is coming to xbox and rumours of tekken too.

i dont think the ps3 is a bad console, nor do i think the xbox is bad.

at the end of the day it is the enjoyment it gives.

Well said. That's what I believe and I will buy a "X"box for my son to play some of those games you mention plus others, when it becomes cheaper . I am only trying to get a balance in this PS3 v "X"box arguments on MyBB.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

from xbox.com -

"2 May 2007 ... The good news is that, unlike TVs, every Xbox 360™ supports HD output at resolutions up to 1080p, so there's no looking for the "HD model" ..."

so where doesn't it have 1080p HD

 

[Joy-Energiser]

I just came stumbling onto this thread, and I'm sorry to say, UnoPanelvan....your a retarded pubescent little whiner....my god.

 

[UnoPanelvan]

from xbox.com -

"2 May 2007 ... The good news is that, unlike TVs, every Xbox 360™ supports HD output at resolutions up to 1080p, so there's no looking for the "HD model" ..."

so where doesn't it have 1080p HD

Look at the word natively.

I dont know, I do not own one to check. Yeah you are right on that one. They fixed it, it seems, somehow. It depends who is doing the telling.

First read this

While it is true that component cables are fully capable of displaying 1080p they are not capable of receiving HDCP protected HD content. All new HDTV's that display 1080p (1920x1080) are HDCP enabled meaning that the specific television will only accept 1080p true HD content via HDMI or DVI as these are HDCP compliant cables.

HDCP is a feature that prevents pirating of high definition data and even the cable and direct tv industry uses it to protect from there HD content being recorded.

So its not that 1080p can't be sent via component, it's that your tv won't accept that signal via component and you will need either HDMI, DVI TO HDMI, OR VGA cables, vga while not HDCP can recieve and send 1080p content in it's pc stated resolution of 1920x1080 which is 1080p.

Now just for the rest hey like the BlueRAy and the DTS master sound....

12-07-2007, 08:03 PM

OK, this one is brief but very interesting - especially if you were thinking about trading up your Xbox 360 for the new Elite version hitting shelves. The extra costs gets you a shiny black box and some more storage but the real attraction is the HDMI output. Well, according to MaxConsole.net, XCM has announced pending availability of a new cable that will allegedly allow 1080p output via HDMI from current Xbox 360 models.

Too good to be true? We'll find out in 4 weeks when the company is rumored to release the product. The cable is reported as being nearly completed and will pimp up our existing "white" Xbox 360s to 1080p HDMI goodness.

We're hoping the cable works by pulling the digital information directly from the board via the Xbox 360's interface, however there is another possibility. The cable could actually perform an analogue-to-digital conversion and multiplex the AV signal into an HDMI-HDCP output. This would be similar to this product from DVIGear. While this can be effective, it is not as desirable as a native "from the video processor" HDMI output.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

There's also the issue of "why". Why would we need HDMI when the current Xbox 360 is fully capable of transmitting 1080p via component? Well, the reason is that pesky HDCP everyone hears so much about (but probably doesn't understand.) Currently there are next to no display devices on the market that accept 1080p via component video - this is due to the inability to offer HDCP content protection/DRM over component video. As a result, 1080p can really only be sent via HDMI or DVI-D (with HDCP) as an industry standard. If you don't require 1080p, then there's no reason to think that this cable or HDMI in general is going to make your Xbox look any better than the current component video technology running at either 720p or 1080i.

Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which
supports HDMI and 1080p.

The question is of course how they do it. I think the Elite version has and real HDMI output? Then there seems to be a convertor cable for the rest.
Is it HDCP capable and at what cost extra?
Maybe those that have the "X"box can enlarge if they dare. I would also like to know.

Xbox 360 Makes High Definition Simple
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xbox360/hdtv.htm

Connection Games HD DVD DVD
HDMI 1080p 1080p 1080p*
VGA 1080p 1080p 1080p*
Component 1080p 1080i 480p
S-Video 480i 480i 480i

* Upscaled from 480p

Remember the arguments was always re price, So add all the extras to the "X"box to get to a PS3 hardware level and then?

Thus
"X"box 360
+BluRay rom
+HDMI cable

or
"X"box 360 elite
BluRay rom

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/09/20/xbox_360_goes_1080p.html

Xbox 360 goes 1080p
September 20, 2006 12:27 PM
Just a quickie: as mentioned here and here, Microsoft has announced, ahead of the Tokyo Game Show, that Xbox 360 is going to get 1080p support via a free software download. Currently, the console is only able to display a HD signal in either 720p or 1080i.

Predictably, it seems there are no plans to release games that run in 1080p. Instead, the software update will allow DVD movies to be scaled up to 1080p and will also handle HD DVD releases. Sony, of course, has made much out of PS3's status as the only console capable of coping with 'True HD'. Although limited numbers of first-party games will attempt to exploit the resolution, most PS3 titles will stick with 720p/1080i.

http://www.tswn.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2121

XCM 1080p HDMI Cable for Xbox 360

versionhitting shelves. The extra costs gets you a shiny black box and somemore storage but the real attraction is the HDMI output. Well,according to MaxConsole.net,XCM has announced pending availability of a new cable that willallegedly allow 1080p output via HDMI from current Xbox 360 models.

Too good to be true? We'll find out in 4 weeks when the company isrumored to release the product. The cable is reported as being nearlycompleted and will pimp up our existing "white" Xbox 360s to 1080p HDMIgoodness.

We're hoping the cable works by pulling the digital information directly from the board via the Xbox 360's interface,however there is another possibility. The cable could actually performan analogue-to-digital conversion and multiplex the AV signal into anHDMI-HDCP output. This would be similar to this product from DVIGear. While this can be effective, it is not as desirable as a native "from the video processor" HDMI output.

There's also the issue of "why". Why would we need HDMI when thecurrent Xbox 360 is fully capable of transmitting 1080p via component?Well, the reason is that pesky HDCP everyone hears so much about (butprobably doesn't understand.) Currently there are next to no displaydevices on the market that accept 1080p via component video - this isdue to the inability to offer HDCP content protection/DRM overcomponent video. As a result, 1080p can really only be sent via HDMI orDVI-D (with HDCP) as an industry standard. If you don't require 1080p,then there's no reason to think that this cable or HDMI in general isgoing to make your Xbox look any better than the current componentvideo technology running at either 720p or 1080i.


We'll find out and bring you more if/when the product releases