Ramaphosa appoints panel on minimum wage

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Pretoria - Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa has appointed a seven-person panel to advise on an appropriate level at which the national minimum wage could be set.

Ramaphosa did this in his capacity as chair of the Committee of Principals of the National Economic Development Council (Nedlac). The committee comprises representatives of government, labour, business and the community. It is charged with, among others, determining the national minimum wage.

The appointment of the advisers takes place against the background of consensus among Nedlac social partners to introduce a national minimum wage as part of efforts to restore the dignity of the majority of South Africans, address the triple challenges of poverty, under-development and inequality and reduce pay differentials while maximising job creation, according to a statement issued by the Presidency on Sunday.

The Presidency pointed out that in his State of the Nation Address in June 2014, President Jacob Zuma had called on the Nedlac social partners - under the leadership of Ramaphosa - to address low wages; wage inequalities and a national minimum wage; and violent and protracted strikes.

"Ramaphosa has now, in consultation with Nedlac social partners, appointed a Panel of Advisers to assist Nedlac in setting the level of the national minimum wage, taking into account work done so far by Nedlac technical task-teams," according to the statement.

Panel members

Prof. Imraan Valodia has been appointed as chair of the panel. He is a part-time member of the Competition Tribunal and a commissioner on the Employment Conditions Commission.

The other members of the panel are macro strategist Mamokete Lijane (Aluwani Capital Partners); commercial law expert Debbie Collier of the University of Cape Town (UCT); poverty and inequality expert Prof. Murray Leibbrandt of UCT; Ayabonga Cawe (economic justice Manager at Oxfam South Africa; skills development and training expert Dr Siphokazi Koyana; and economist Dr Patrick Belser of the International Labour Organisation.

In March this year this year Ramaphosa said a national minimum wage could go a long way to provide a much-needed injection into SA’s economy. In his view SA is progressing well with its implementation, compared to other countries like Germany and Brazil.

“Today our level of inequality is the worst in the world. But this could be turned around and a minimum wage could lead to the injection of growth in our economy. If people have more money in their pockets they become better consumers. This could fuel the manufacturing and demand for goods and services. We should not only look at a minimum wage from negative perspective,” Ramaphosa said at the time.


Free Market Foundation

This is, however, not the view of the Free Market Foundation (FMF). In June this year FMF director Temba Nolutshungu said, in his view, the proposed minimum wage will rather hamper than stimulate job creation in SA.

"Instead of considering national minimum wages intended to raise the wages of people who already have jobs, government should be giving its full attention to creating conditions that will lead to an increase in the demand for labour," added FMF director Eustace Davie.

In an article published on the FMF website Davie said onerous termination requirements, minimum conditions of employment, compulsory minimum wages and other regulatory conditions imposed on employers, all serve to consign some people to the ranks of the permanently unemployed.

This is because the sum total of their wages and the costs to the employer of complying with the labour regulations exceed the economic value of their expected production, he explained.

According to Nolutshungu evidence shows the most vulnerable sector of the labour market will again be the young, unskilled and inexperienced youth, because some businesses will not be able to pay their entire workforce the arbitrarily determined minimum wage.

On the other hand, Ilan Strauss, a macroeconomist and development economist, who consults for the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), recently wrote to Fin24 to point out that recent research by Wits University’s National Minimum Wage Research Initiative (NMWRI) argues that workers receiving relatively more income from the implementation of a national minimum wage could boost domestic output and spending.

"South Africa’s labour share is around 5 percentage points lower than its peers and has declined in the post-apartheid era. There is a growing consensus among global policy makers that the world economy is suffering from too little demand. This is partly due to rampant inequality: most households do not have enough money to buy the goods and services that allow the economy to tick over," said Strauss.

"When complementary domestic policies, such as increased public infrastructural spending, are used in conjunction with increasing the labour share, the effects are larger in the GPM. And when other countries implement similar policies alongside South Africa to increase their labour shares, South Africa, as a small, open economy, benefits further."

In his view, the primary benefits of a national minimum wage for South Africa are through its notable impacts on reducing poverty and inequality.

"A national minimum wage is a potentially important plank in any suite of measures that aims to expand the South African economy in a balanced and sustainable manner. Positive measures are needed on both the supply and demand sides to boost the domestic economy," said Strauss.

Fin24
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/ramaphosa-appoints-panel-on-minimum-wage-20160814
 
Good plan, pay everyone a lot, and no one will complain. secondly plan, buy a printer via the gupta's and start printing money. Problem solved.
 
Cyril, no need to waste money on your "panel", I'll give you the answer right here, right now, mahala:
The "appropriate level at which the national minimum wage" should be set is ... ZERO
 
This is going to increase unemployment. Mark my words.

Minimum wage legislation has not led to an increase in unemployment where it has been implemented in other countries. It will depend on whether the minimum wage is set at a reasonable level or not. It can have long term benefits to the economy by increasing spending power, if implemented properly. However , unemployment is going to increase regardless. The economy has bigger problems.
 
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Minimum wage legislation has not led to an increase in unemployment where it has been implemented in other countries. It will depend on whether the minimum wage is set at a reasonable level or not. It can have long term benefits to the economy by increasing spending power, if implemented properly. However , unemployment is going to increase regardless. The economy has bigger problems.

Reasonable? Implemented properly? Where have you been the last 22 years?
 
I'm all for this. With employers hesitant to hire unskilled labour, perhaps we will finally see more automation. After all there is no law about being forced to hire a human over a machine. Machines are also easily replaceable, whereas humans come with all sorts of legal red tape...
 
Not a bad idea...but needs to be low enough so that it doesn't trigger job losses.
 
Minimum wage legislation has not led to an increase in unemployment where it has been implemented in other countries. It will depend on whether the minimum wage is set at a reasonable level or not. It can have long term benefits to the economy by increasing spending power, if implemented properly. However , unemployment is going to increase regardless. The economy has bigger problems.

Yes it has, it is just not a popular (or populist) fact to acknowledge: Walmart to shutter 269 stores, with most located in the US

It's actually rather the hypothetical upside of minimum wage that has never truly been proven, there's plenty of proof of the downside.
 
The very notion of a legally-specified minimum wage is unjust, in my view. The State should not interpose itself in employment agreements. When it does, the rights of both employee and employer are reduced. And what is worse: it concedes the principle that the State may interfere in private commercial terms, and doing so opens the path to tyranny and ruin.
 
On the other hand, Ilan Strauss, a macroeconomist and development economist, who consults for the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), recently wrote to Fin24 to point out that recent research by Wits University’s National Minimum Wage Research Initiative (NMWRI) argues that workers receiving relatively more income from the implementation of a national minimum wage could boost domestic output and spending.

This is partly due to rampant inequality: most households do not have enough money to buy the goods and services that allow the economy to tick over," said Strauss.

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/ramaphosa-appoints-panel-on-minimum-wage-20160814

What are the arguments against this?
 
Here are ten reasons in favor of market wages over a government-mandated minimum wage:

Proposed minimum wages are almost always arbitrary and never based on sound economic analysis. Why $10.10 an hour and not $9.10? Why $15 an hour and not $16 an hour?

A uniform federal minimum wage may be sub-optimal for many states, and uniform state minimum wages may be sub-optimal for many cities. A one-size-fits-all approach to the minimum wage is really a “one-size-fits-none.”

Minimum wage laws require costly taxpayer-funded monitoring and enforcement mechanisms, whereas market wages don’t.

Minimum wage laws discriminate against unskilled workers in favor of skilled workers.

Adjustments to total compensation following minimum wage laws will disadvantage workers in the form of reduced hours, reduced fringe benefits, and reduced on-the-job training.

Many unskilled workers will be unable to find work and will be denied valuable on-the-job training and the opportunity to acquire experience and skills.
Minimum wage laws prevent mutually advantageous, voluntary labor agreements between employers and employees from taking place.
To the extent that higher minimum wages result in lower firm profits and higher retail prices, that’s a form of legal plunder by workers from employers and consumers that is objectionable.

Market-determined wages are efficient, whereas government-mandated wages create distortions in the labor markets that prevent labor markets from clearing.
Like all government price controls, minimum wage laws are distortionary. If you trust government officials and politicians to legislate and enforce a minimum wage for unskilled workers, you should logically trust those same bureaucrats to set all prices, wages and interest rates in the economy. Realistically, if you agree that those economy-wide price controls would be undesirable, then you should also agree that the minimum wage law is also undesirable.

https://www.aei.org/publication/ten-reasons-economists-object-to-the-minimum-wage/
 
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Here is an argument in favor of a minimum wage:
People have 3 ways of obtaining resources in order to feed, clothe and house themselves and their family.

A- Employment
B- Govt aid or ngo aid
C- Crime

All economies are a mix of the above. You want the max in A. You will never achieve 0 in C. B is a way of reducing C quickly because you know you will never achieve 100% in A

The reason for opting for B is that if you have high numbers in C you have to spend massive amounts on police and private security so even without B, you still need high taxes to pay for security.

The problem with B is that it's unaffordable if A is low. I.e. High unemployment. And SA has one of the worst unemployment.

The only way to increase A is to increase economic activity. SA has a very low per capita consumer spending rate.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.CON.PRVT.PC.KD

Look at the above data.
One way of achieving this is the minimum wage. It will increase consumer spending capacity. This will attract investment. Local and foreign. This will actually begin to increase A and decrease C without having to invest heavily in B.

Of course it doesn't happen overnight. In addition the economy remains vulnerable to other problems. Corruption is leaching billions. This is another reason for the minimum wage. Increasing consumer spending has a positive effect on areas such as education. And education is the most effective tool against corruption. A more educated population is also more likely to look beyond short term politiking and take the long view.

You have already seen the potential of this in the recent local elections.

Hopefully Cyril and his commission don't see this and conclude that SA is "not quite ready" for a minimum wage
 
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The minimum wage can also add certainty to wage levels which help to control inflation. It also has the potential of taking some wind out of a unions sails.

A more stable labour system is only going to have a positive effect.
 
I did some calculations based on UK min wage of approx £7 an hour compared to world bank consumer spending for UK of $25k and came up with a possible min wage in SA of R11.90 an hour. If you work 21.67 days a month 8 hours a week that's about R2000.00 a month. If you are on min wage job that's probably not realistic working hours ??

I have no idea whether that is high or low for minimum wage in SA. I know it's f###%g low for me :)
 
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