Rapist gouges girl's eye out

fantasticfred said:
I think this is the reason why the death penalty has never been shown to be an effective deterant againt crime.
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The death penalty is 100% effective as a deterrent against crime. I can guarantee you that the perpetrator will never do it again.
 
Garyvdh said:
The death penalty is 100% effective as a deterrent against crime. I can guarantee you that the perpetrator will never do it again.
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Bit late for the victim. Its not like we have a finite number or violent people. As long as have rotten elements in society we will produce rotten individuals. Fix that and we might prevent crimes before the fact.

Complicated issue. Our jails are more likely to produce criminals than rehabilitate them through their brutality. Problem number 1.
 
fantasticfred said:
Bit late for the victim. Its not like we have a finite number or violent people. As long as have rotten elements in society we will produce rotten individuals. Fix that and we might prevent crimes before the fact.

Complicated issue. Our jails are more likely to produce criminals than rehabilitate them through their brutality. Problem number 1.
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It's never too late for the victim... as long as justice is served.

I fully agree about the jails though. In a just society there would be no need for jails, because full reparation would be made.
 
You gotta be pretty disconnected from human emotions to gouge someone's eyes out on top of the rape you commit :/
 
fantasticfred said:
Just a question to the gung ho on here. If we had the death penalty do you think it would make more or less sense to leave people alive behind ? As a gory illustration of my point if the killer had any sense he would gouge out both eyes and leave no means to identify him. Its not like he is displaying any compassion by only goughing out one.

How many more armed robberies would end in death etc ? I think this is the reason why the death penalty has never been shown to be an effective deterant againt crime. From a practical perspective we must consider avoiding future crimes over blood lust and vengeance because they could well actually make things worse.
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At the point where these crimes are being committed the last thing on these perps mind is the punishment they would suffer if they were caught. Basically while doing the crime there is absolutely no thought of consequence - they are 'living' in the moment of whatever heinous deed they are committing - don't misunderstand me - the death penalty is not a deterrent, it is a punishment - the ultimate one for people who no longer deserve the protections and rights of our society.

The death penalty guarantees that a perp who is caught will never commit that crime again - and that is good enough for me - weed the *****ers out of the gene pool.

To be honest, I'm not sure how much worse it can get here (outside of actual warfare)
 
R13... said:
We are a nation of monsters!!! This is the second time someone's had their eyes gouged out in KZN, the first was that boy over a cellphone.
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Careful with that 'we' please. You're looking at a certain subset of the population that rape, don't hang this inhuman little ****'s actions on the rest of us who don't.
 
fantasticfred said:
Just a question to the gung ho on here. If we had the death penalty do you think it would make more or less sense to leave people alive behind ? As a gory illustration of my point if the killer had any sense he would gouge out both eyes and leave no means to identify him. Its not like he is displaying any compassion by only goughing out one.

How many more armed robberies would end in death etc ? I think this is the reason why the death penalty has never been shown to be an effective deterant againt crime. From a practical perspective we must consider avoiding future crimes over blood lust and vengeance because they could well actually make things worse.
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The reason I'm on the fence about the death penalty is because of the baboons who run and infest this country. The rule of so-called law in the hands of these idiots is something else. Otherwise I'd be all for it.
 
Flanders said:
The reason I'm on the fence about the death penalty is because of the baboons who run and infest this country. The rule of so-called law in the hands of these idiots is something else. Otherwise I'd be all for it.
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Don't get me wrong either. If anyone could show be the death penalty was a deterant I would support it too. And don't put too much responsibility on your government to fix all our problems or careful what you are asking for. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away. If there are people capable or fixing society then what is stopping them from doing it ? And if you believe there is something that could have been done to prevent this horrid rape then why not share it so we can implement it? Else don't pass the buck.

Easy to moan and criticise and call people names really. Much harder to actually do something about it by taking responsibility for our own society on an individual level.
 
AfricanTech said:
At the point where these crimes are being committed the last thing on these perps mind is the punishment they would suffer if they were caught. Basically while doing the crime there is absolutely no thought of consequence - they are 'living' in the moment of whatever heinous deed they are committing - don't misunderstand me - the death penalty is not a deterrent, it is a punishment - the ultimate one for people who no longer deserve the protections and rights of our society.

The death penalty guarantees that a perp who is caught will never commit that crime again - and that is good enough for me - weed the *****ers out of the gene pool.

To be honest, I'm not sure how much worse it can get here (outside of actual warfare)
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Punishment for punishments sake is reactive and helps nothing in the future. Unless we want to go back to burning and torturing people publically into placidity like the dark ages. But barbarism to prevent barbarism can't be the answer. Terribly cynical to think human beings can't be controlled with carrots and instead require whips. In fact positive reinforcement is a far better motivater than aversion.

Modernism asks we act proactively instead as we can not change the past but we can prevent repeating its mistakes.
 
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Heard the suspect has been handed over to his parents?

Was on radio algoa WTF
 
fantasticfred said:
Punishment for punishments sake is reactive and helps nothing in the future. Unless we want to go back to burning and torturing people publically into placidity like the dark ages. But barbarism to prevent barbarism can't be the answer. Terribly cynical to think human beings can't be controlled with carrots and instead require whips. In fact positive reinforcement is a far better motivater than aversion.

Modernism asks we act proactively instead as we can not change the past but we can prevent repeating its mistakes.
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Some human beings can be controlled with carrots, others require whips - following the 'normal' curve that is a simple fact of life.

Punishment is not for punishment's sake - punishment is a consequence of unacceptable actions - the problem with trying to apply a 'humanistic / human' approach to all problems is that it does not take into account the fact that some human beings are just not redeemable - I firmly believe that once you step beyond a certain point (as illustrated in this case) then not only are you beyond being redeemed, you do not deserve redemption - you are a blight and stain upon society and need to be removed from it permanently.

Advocating the death penalty is not advocating a return to the dark ages of burning and torturing people.

The death penalty helps the future because you know that that particular perpetrator will never be in a position to repeat their heinous deed.
 
AfricanTech said:
Some human beings can be controlled with carrots, others require whips - following the 'normal' curve that is a simple fact of life.
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Just about everyone can be controlled with "carrots" far better than they can be with whips. The same even goes for animals or "lesser apes" than humans. Beating a dog when he pees inside will work far slower (or not at all) than giving him a treat when he does it on the lawn.

Punishment is not for punishment's sake - punishment is a consequence of unacceptable actions - the problem with trying to apply a 'humanistic / human' approach to all problems is that it does not take into account the fact that some human beings are just not redeemable - I firmly believe that once you step beyond a certain point (as illustrated in this case) then not only are you beyond being redeemed, you do not deserve redemption - you are a blight and stain upon society and need to be removed from it permanently.
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It's simple social constructionist pragmatism I propose not humanism. The problem with theories of humanity that don't account for social construction is that they then imply that the individual is just "evil" and the process he became that way was random. That's a pointless and unsophisticated way to approach any problem and can never work. Imagine if Kepler or Galileo etc had said "Well some of this lights in the sky thingies just move funny and that's just the way it is." We wouldn't have advanced very far in the fields of astronomy and cosmology.

And of course how can we ethically justify killing someone if we admit that his deeds were just a result of random "evil" that lurks around an occasionally infects someone ? How is he to blame for "contracting evil" when it's clearly something nobody wants to have curse them as according to you it makes you worthy of being killed ?

Advocating the death penalty is not advocating a return to the dark ages of burning and torturing people.
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Intellectually it is. But that's perhaps not as important to people than vengeance and blood lust and the resulting catharsis, so I understand if they feel that way, even if acting out violently from our reptile brain is a regression towards barbarism.

The death penalty helps the future because you know that that particular perpetrator will never be in a position to repeat their heinous deed.
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In that sense it does. But where do we draw the line at what is a heinous deed ? Not everything is as universally repugnant and obviously heinous as this event. Also who gets to decide when such a deed is carried out ? How is it fairly enforced ? How do we ensure innocent people aren't executed ? It's a very slippery slope we start to slide down.
 
Zyzzyva said:
Yeah, i got to say that must be the worst thing i've read all year. Hopefully they nail the 15 year old. If you are old enough to rape you are old enough to do the time.
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Hopefully someone in jail nails the sick fsck. :mad:
 
smalltownsky said:
and don't forget, white genocide!
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