Rapists

It also depends on the rape... statutory rape should carry the same sentence as know.
Like child rape, gang rape normal rape... castration or death... don't fill up prisons... I actually oppose prisons for most crimes and just want the bad fsckers dead.
 
Why these nutters must stay in death row for so long is beyond me. If you're found guilty and the penalty is death, get on with it!!
I'm also for public execution in a controlled environment where no persons under 21 should be allowed.
 
fastesthamster said:
So it's purely a matter of economics? If people get expensive, we should kill them?

What are the stats on death penalty as a deterrent, do you know?

What if you execute an innocent person, isn't that murder? Who stands trial for that murder?
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Since the death penalty was stopped violent crimes have increased and since prisoners have been given more rights than the innocent crime has increased. They have taken the innocents rights away, what gives him the right to have more rights than you and to be treated like a king in prison.
 
Ekstasis said:
their death does not have to serve anything. It's what he deserved which IS death. This whole story about no one deserves to die is absolute nonsense. If you're a cold blooded killer / serial rapist, you deserve death, a quick death, immediate, pull the plug.
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Death doesn't punish the offender. He'll be dead, nothing more. Life imprisonment is arguably the worse punishment. And it has the added benefit that you will always have the chance to rectify your mistake if you imprison the wrong person. There is no valid argument for death penalty over life imprisonment. If you want to bring the cost of housing a criminal into it, I think you would need to show that there are not enough resources for the world's current population.
 
catruter said:
Since the death penalty was stopped violent crimes have increased and since prisoners have been given more rights than the innocent crime has increased. They have taken the innocents rights away, what gives him the right to have more rights than you and to be treated like a king in prison.
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Citation needed, and correlation doesn't equal causation.
 
fastesthamster said:
Death doesn't punish the offender. He'll be dead, nothing more. Life imprisonment is arguably the worse punishment. And it has the added benefit that you will always have the chance to rectify your mistake if you imprison the wrong person. There is no valid argument for death penalty over life imprisonment. If you want to bring the cost of housing a criminal into it, I think you would need to show that there are not enough resources for the world's current population.
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OK, but then I want for them to be brutally tortured, ass raped and chastised over a period of time. After that they can be released for all I care, maybe an amputation or two. That would teach them not to offend again. Problem is, and especially in SA, is that the kind of people who rape and murder do not live in much worse off conditions than prison, if not better, so jail time is not as big a deterrant.

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So when a criminal breaks into your house and rapes your wife and children, for no reason other than to punish you. Then he takes a iron and irons you and your family while demanding more money and firearms that you don't have. Then you are happy to have him serve a 15 year sentence, out in 9 years for good behaviour and due to over crowded prisons!
 
catruter said:
So when a criminal breaks into your house and rapes your wife and children, for no reason other than to punish you. Then he takes a iron and irons you and your family while demanding more money and firearms that you don't have. Then you are happy to have him serve a 15 year sentence, out in 9 years for good behaviour and due to over crowded prisons!
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No, life.
 
fastesthamster said:
Death doesn't punish the offender. He'll be dead, nothing more. Life imprisonment is arguably the worse punishment. And it has the added benefit that you will always have the chance to rectify your mistake if you imprison the wrong person. There is no valid argument for death penalty over life imprisonment. If you want to bring the cost of housing a criminal into it, I think you would need to show that there are not enough resources for the world's current population.
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The DP (and accompanied process) is actually more expensive than housing the prisoner for the rest of his/her life. This however should not be about money, but what punishment the criminal deserves. That however is what he deserves
 
catruter said:
For house robbery and rape he won't get life, he will only get abouyt 15 years of which he will only serve 2/3rds as is the current law of this country.
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Rather, get bail for R1000, rape another 5 people before his trial starts two years later.


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Ekstasis said:
Why these nutters must stay in death row for so long is beyond me. If you're found guilty and the penalty is death, get on with it!!
I'm also for public execution in a controlled environment where no persons under 21 should be allowed.
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Um.. no.
What's up with public executions anyway? So... uncivilised.
Putting a hard assed person in prison is far from torture.
 
Stefanmuller said:
Rather, get bail for R1000, rape another 5 people before his trial starts two years later.


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My very point! Criminals have to many rights in this country even after they have violated an inoccent persons rights. We need to have harder punishments for these criminals. The death penalty is just one effective way to punnish these criminals
 
Ekstasis said:
The DP (and accompanied process) is actually more expensive than housing the prisoner for the rest of his/her life. This however should not be about money, but what punishment the criminal deserves. That however is what he deserves
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You still haven't managed to show why death is more what the criminal deserves, compared to life imprisonment which is more of a punishment.
 
fastesthamster said:
You still haven't managed to show why death is more what the criminal deserves, compared to life imprisonment which is more of a punishment.
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After some time in prison, the criminal becomes institutionalised - prison becomes a way of life not so much a punishment. The victim who was murdered is gone, no chance of coming back - the criminal took that life away. He deserves to die. The same goes for a serial rapist who ruined the lives of innocent girls who now must struggle emotionally for the rest of their lives(in their own prisons for which they never asked in the first place)
If you cannot see that then you're very ignorant.
 
Ekstasis said:
After some time in prison, the criminal becomes institutionalised - prison becomes a way of life not so much a punishment. The victim who was murdered is gone, no chance of coming back - the criminal took that life away. He deserves to die. The same goes for a serial rapist who ruined the lives of innocent girls who now must struggle emotionally for the rest of their lives(in their own prisons for which they never asked in the first place)
If you cannot see that then you're very ignorant.
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+1 000 000
 
I think some kind of work must be found for prisoners. They have to pay for their stay. No work, no eat. 15 days of chilling a year, Weekends maybe. They should be productive. The extra money they make should be given to the victims or their families. There should be prison farms. We need to make them productive!
 
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