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Receiving offer from company, Negotiate?
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crackersa
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did they meet your initial expectations? i.e. did they ask you what you were looking for and did they meet that? if so, I wouldn't negotiate.
if they just threw an offer on the table with out having an expectation from you, then YES! negotiate, milk them
if they just threw an offer on the table with out having an expectation from you, then YES! negotiate, milk them
Always negotiate! The worst that they can do is say "this is our final offer". Unless you somehow really mess the negotiations up
As someone on the other side of the table, I give offers based on skill, your current salary, what you asked for and budget.
9 / 10 if someone starts negotiating salary it is normally so they can take it back to their current employer to counter offer (the long term effects of this is a completely different debate of the person staying on with their current employer knowing that they were shopping)...
If it is a position you want and more than your current salary, don't ruin the relationship before it has started by negotiating. Show them your worth and earn that bonus and increase the right way.
9 / 10 if someone starts negotiating salary it is normally so they can take it back to their current employer to counter offer (the long term effects of this is a completely different debate of the person staying on with their current employer knowing that they were shopping)...
If it is a position you want and more than your current salary, don't ruin the relationship before it has started by negotiating. Show them your worth and earn that bonus and increase the right way.
I would say that it always makes sense to negotiate if the number offered is under both what was requested, and what would be personally worthwhile (not always the same number but can be).
airborne
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Always negotiate but the attitude you have is vital, you should go in engaging, not being demanding or controlling etc. How much are you really worth to the new employee, it's hard to equate, even if the offer is attractive, chances are they went in below budget, that's just the laws of negotiating, you typically don't put your highest offer in straight away.
The caveat though is if the guy is making a very generous offer relative to market norms and you didn't have anything out of the ordinary to offer don't be a dwis and come in hot with requests for more money. Don't be that guy staring at the gift horse in the mouth..
Just use common sense.
If you are happy the offer isn't too bad but could possibly be better, just ask "can we negotiate on remuneration" and take it from there.
The caveat though is if the guy is making a very generous offer relative to market norms and you didn't have anything out of the ordinary to offer don't be a dwis and come in hot with requests for more money. Don't be that guy staring at the gift horse in the mouth..
Just use common sense.
If you are happy the offer isn't too bad but could possibly be better, just ask "can we negotiate on remuneration" and take it from there.
crackersa
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Why does their current salary matter?
It is one of the questions in the interview, helps gauge if they earning market related or not. Also what benefits they get - pension, provident, allowances, etc. A copy of recent payslip will be asked for to verify it anyway.
This way can compare what is being offered compared to what they currently earning. No use offering below what they currently getting... Else it was a waste of everyone's time.
I believe the offer should always be a win-win one. Candidate takes home more and/or has better benefits; and the firm pays within budget and within market related brackets, dependant on the skills being offered...
The more scarce the skill the more willing to pay a higher percentage on what they are currently earning/market to get the right candidate.
This way can compare what is being offered compared to what they currently earning. No use offering below what they currently getting... Else it was a waste of everyone's time.
I believe the offer should always be a win-win one. Candidate takes home more and/or has better benefits; and the firm pays within budget and within market related brackets, dependant on the skills being offered...
The more scarce the skill the more willing to pay a higher percentage on what they are currently earning/market to get the right candidate.
It also helps gauge the level of the employee and how they should be interviewed. As someone who has been on both sides of the table, I believe that it makes sense to do this.
Perhaps a candidate claims to be the key architect of well known software X, but is paid as a junior... fishy...
Someone with title "Software Engineer", no "senior" or "architect" or whatever, wants $250k/y? Oh, they're currently at $200k - let's not use too many recent grads to interview them, and make sure that the interviewers know to ask questions appropriate for the hiring level.
There are "good stories" for why someone may be paid below expectations, but there are bad ones too - for example, every single one of a long list of past employers being evil and greedy and unable to see your brilliance should be warning sign.
Randy_The_Squirrel
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Actually not, I have been offered recently, the exact same pay (yet they expect me to travel and all sorts of kuk) and a bit less. Negotiations lead usually to "take it or leave it". And no, my current employer is none the wiser!
Venomous
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I would not provide a payslip from a current employer to prove pay.
I would gladly as old company to provide details of job def on their letter head.
Just as you should not discuss your salary with the guy at the next desk, the person employing you soon does not need to know. What they do need to know is "can you do the job?"
If the salary offer matches your expectations I would say stick to it and prove your extra worth in the job.
If it matches your current salary or is below expectations be sure to negotiate it up. There is very little sense in accepting an offer which will in essence put you in a worse position given inflation. If they also offer you the same salary it shows they see you as an expense rather than an asset.
If it matches your current salary or is below expectations be sure to negotiate it up. There is very little sense in accepting an offer which will in essence put you in a worse position given inflation. If they also offer you the same salary it shows they see you as an expense rather than an asset.
The person at the next desk likely isn't committing a large amount of cash towards your salary based on a few pieces of paper and a few hours of face time. You don't think that salary tends to correlate with someone's ability to do their job?
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If you can back up your expectations, then negotiate.
For example, if you have an increase/bonus imminent at your current employer, or you have unvested long term incentives, these are good reasons to ask for either a sign on bonus, upfront long term incentives or a higher bases salary to compensate.