Refugees/Squatters

[Albereth]

This Friday the GPG has said it will pull down all the tents at the places of safety set up for the victims of xenophobic attacks. The Wits Law Clinic and a bunch of other do-gooders are trying to get a court interdict (first round was thrown out) and want to consider going to the Constitutional Court.

The big arguement seem to be that the GPG has not produced a comprehensive strategy that deasl with the safe intergration of the 'victims' back into society.

Well, the government has failed to produce a comprehensive strategy for any of our safety so why should the foreigners get special treatment. Yes, it was all very shocking but if people don't want you there either consider going elsewhere or going home. Perhaps this is a naieve view but we have a government that can't even look after its own, why would I want them pandering to a few.

Of course I don't expect a blind eye to be turned where there has been criminal activity. The fact that someone has now taken up occupancy of a foreigner's shack should be dealt with with exactly the same effort as if they had occupied a local's shack. The fact that the community has threatened to kill the foreigner should not be an excuse for not exercising the law and protecting the rights of the individual. But that's it. Not some special compensation or plan for the foreigners and ignore the crime. That just reinforces the lawlessness we have here.

 

[IanC]

I don't disagree on any particular point, but squatters/ refugees are a particularly vulnerable population and during what is called the "Xenophobic Violence" they were, for the most part, the target.

Do you really think that they enjoy the same protections as the rest of us??

 

[semiautomatix]

Of course they haven't. There half-arsed strategy comes from a variety of reasons: they're too lazy to follow through, there is nothing in it for them (especially since all newspaper reports have disappeared) and obviously these refugees can't give them back handers and finally this country couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery.

 

[semiautomatix]

I don't disagree on any particular point, but squatters/ refugees are a particularly vulnerable population and during what is called the "Xenophobic Violence" they were, for the most part, the target.

Do you really think that they enjoy the same protections as the rest of us??

We must assume that since they have not been deported, they are here legally (whether they actually are is another matter); as such it is the responsibility of our government to protect these foreign nationals. You would expect the same treatment if you were in another country, would you not?

 

[IanC]

Of course they haven't. There half-arsed strategy comes from a variety of reasons:

I think you're far too generous in calling the governments strategy half-arsed, since it implies they actually HAD a strategy, which IMO they didn't.

they're too lazy to follow through, there is nothing in it for them (especially since all newspaper reports have disappeared) and obviously these refugees can't give them back handers and finally this country couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery.

I cannot disagree with this assessment.

 

[Turiko]

Yes, now that is a valid point- but I agree this govt cocked it up- as they do everything else.

 

[IanC]

We must assume that since they have not been deported, they are here legally (whether they actually are is another matter); as such it is the responsibility of our government to protect these foreign nationals. You would expect the same treatment if you were in another country, would you not?

Indeed I would.

 

[Albereth]

Do you really think that they enjoy the same protections as the rest of us??

In theory they do.

My concern is that we have a bunch of people trying to force a different set of 'protections' rather than have the set that applies to all of us enforced.

My concerns could expand to consider a broader backdrop.

In May we had a bunch of disgruntled savages taking their frustrations out on a group of foreigners. Long story short, the foreigners were housed and given sanctuary. So the foreigners have lost property and possibly jobs. The foreigners still can sue the people responsible for their losses - more theory. They have no money, the perpetrators may not be identifiable, etc etc. so noone is going to take it up either.

So then what? Well, if someone didn't do their job e.g. the police refused to respond, or the government sponsored the violence, well then, by all means go after the government, and specifically the individuals responsible.

But we have a situation where people have lost something and there is an expectation that the government will compensate for that loss. And if that happens, then every time someone gets robbed they can go off to the government and claim compensation.

Or we have a set up where the government is expected to know the mood of the communities. I suppose they ought to at some level, but the way of tracking the mood to be able to ensure safety of an individual or a group of individuals requires some sort of feedback mechanism - and for that you can read Big Brother.

 

[Albereth]

We must assume that since they have not been deported, they are here legally (whether they actually are is another matter); as such it is the responsibility of our government to protect these foreign nationals. You would expect the same treatment if you were in another country, would you not?

Yes, but just as they would the ordinary citizen.

 

[IanC]

In theory they do.

My concern is that we have a bunch of people trying to force a different set of 'protections' rather than have the set that applies to all of us enforced.

My concerns could expand to consider a broader backdrop.

In May we had a bunch of disgruntled savages taking their frustrations out on a group of foreigners. Long story short, the foreigners were housed and given sanctuary. So the foreigners have lost property and possibly jobs. The foreigners still can sue the people responsible for their losses - more theory. They have no money, the perpetrators may not be identifiable, etc etc. so noone is going to take it up either.

A very succinct summing up, which I have no problem with.

So then what? Well, if someone didn't do their job e.g. the police refused to respond, or the government sponsored the violence, well then, by all means go after the government, and specifically the individuals responsible.

That's working out well for us isn't it? Can you name one or two government officials that have actually served some prison time (since 1994, that is)?? Btw I personally think Tony Yengeni doesn't count.

But we have a situation where people have lost something and there is an expectation that the government will compensate for that loss. And if that happens, then every time someone gets robbed they can go off to the government and claim compensation.

Yes I know ... compensation society and all that. What did anyone expect? We don't punish criminals ... we supposedly rehabilitate them. Did anyone ask their victims how they felt? That would be a concerted NO, they don't count you see, hence ... compensation society.

Or we have a set up where the government is expected to know the mood of the communities.

That's what they're paid to do, but that doesn't mean much here.

I suppose they ought to at some level, but the way of tracking the mood to be able to ensure safety of an individual or a group of individuals requires some sort of feedback mechanism - and for that you can read Big Brother.

You had it in the first part of your statement i.e. at some level, the SA government couldn't find its own arse with both hands.

 

[Rozier]

Can anyone suggest a dumber solution to this xzenophobia fiasco than 'reintegrating' the victims back into the communities that are trying to kill them?

All illegals should be taken to the border they entered through, tossed back over the fence, (If it hasn't yet been stolen) and told to stay out, or else.

Tis country is more and more like the Jerry Springer show every week.

 

[CathJ]

Can anyone suggest a dumber solution to this xzenophobia fiasco than 'reintegrating' the victims back into the communities that are trying to kill them?

All illegals should be taken to the border they entered through, tossed back over the fence, (If it hasn't yet been stolen) and told to stay out, or else.

Tis country is more and more like the Jerry Springer show every week.

You're assuming that all foreigners are illegal, which simply isn't true.

 

[Robinski]

Xzenophobia - Candy-coated name for B on B Racism

You are right on Rozier. These foreigners that sneak over our boarders seem to just be causing problems for our people and worse, costing me more money the longer they are here.
If they don't like the way things are in South Africa, then send them back to go and crawl under the fences of another country that they like better.