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Rejecting evolution with science...
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So what are you saying? Are you saying that if we drop 100 babies on an isolated island with no contact with the outside world then they will:
- develop spoken language
- know how to make tools
- know how to grow crops and farm wild animals
- know how to ride wild animals
- develop written language and invent the paper to write it down
- know how to build boats
These things appeared at different times in history. They didn't just pop up 6000 years ago. I'm sure if you did some research you will realize this.
eg.
We have found tools around 2.6 million years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldowan
We have found evidence of farming in 20000BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture
I think the development of feral children further entrenches the point you're trying to make...
Having said that you apparently have no idea what evolution is.
Utter drivel. Talkorigins? You really must be kidding if you think that propaganda has anything based in reality. Funny that you haven't given a single response to the problems with evolution that I outlined.
Nah they've finally met their match. Somebody who knows and understand more of evolution than they do. They don't have any proper counters to the points raised so it's proven a futile attempt to even try.Are you really that proud you put someone on ignore ?
How fragile are you ?
Assuming they survive it wouldn't take them thousands of years to develop basic skills. Nobody is saying these things just popped up all around the same time. It all follows a path of gradual development because they are essential. It's implausible humans with near the level of todays intelligence would be content to live isolated to themselves for tens of thousands of years. Even apes have means of communication and you want to tell me that something far more intelligent will not develop sophisticated communication skills.So what are you saying? Are you saying that if we drop 100 babies on an isolated island with no contact with the outside world then they will:
- develop spoken language
- know how to make tools
- know how to grow crops and farm wild animals
- know how to ride wild animals
- develop written language and invent the paper to write it down
- know how to build boats
These things appeared at different times in history. They didn't just pop up 6000 years ago. I'm sure if you did some research you will realize this.
eg.
We have found tools around 2.6 million years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldowan
We have found evidence of farming in 20000BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture
Yes "tools" made from irregular shaped rocks. You know this is really ridiculous, did you even look at that wiki article? OrbitalDawn has a problem in how we detect designs but you will infer it from some random rocks. Assuming the dates are correct and they were actually real tools there's no reason not to believe they were just found lying around and used by some ape. The stretches in logic to support Darwin's wet dream is just amazing and amusing at the same time.
OrbitalDawn
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Ken hard at it, I see.
DrJohnZoidberg
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Ken hard at it, I see.
So much fail. There isn't even such a thing as an "evolutionist," there are only people and people in denial.
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Of course there is such a thing , we're similar to gravitationists in many ways.
porchrat
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Germ theorists too.
It's just a theory!!!
All of biology must be wrong. Bacterial evolution is observed. Germ evolution is observed. Entire new species are observed. Genetic evidence of common ancestry is abound and undisputed.
Evidently there are millions of people around the world who are in on this conspiracy...
porchrat
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Well you have to keep in mind that they are all being coordinated by Satan. When you bring that in then it all starts sounding more plausible... right?... hey guys where are you going, don't walk away this is serious stuff!!
SaiyanZ
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Assuming they survive it wouldn't take them thousands of years to develop basic skills. Nobody is saying these things just popped up all around the same time. It all follows a path of gradual development because they are essential. It's implausible humans with near the level of todays intelligence would be content to live isolated to themselves for tens of thousands of years. Even apes have means of communication and you want to tell me that something far more intelligent will not develop sophisticated communication skills.
Yes "tools" made from irregular shaped rocks. You know this is really ridiculous, did you even look at that wiki article? OrbitalDawn has a problem in how we detect designs but you will infer it from some random rocks. Assuming the dates are correct and they were actually real tools there's no reason not to believe they were just found lying around and used by some ape. The stretches in logic to support Darwin's wet dream is just amazing and amusing at the same time.
People didn't have a choice about living in isolation 10000 years ago. The world is a big place and the population was a few million. Take all the people in JHB for example and spread them around the world. The bulk of that population would never even have known about the existence of other people in far away lands. Far away lands is a relative term too. The distance from Durban to JHB is far enough for people to never have met.
There were small pockets of ingenuity in the past but since there was no easy way to effectively pass the information down to later generations, the knowledge was eventually lost. Eg. The Aztecs, the Egyptians, even the Romans and they're from more recent history. The world lost several hundred years of progress when the Roman empire fell.
Also regarding the rocks. The rocks have been purposefully shaped to do a job. That is the definition of a tool is it not? The wiki has pictures of the very first manipulated rocks that we have found. More sophisticated tools were obviously developed over time. Don't take my word for it though. Take the word of the archaeologists who have dedicated their lives to studying these things. People who have studied to be able to tell apart a natural rock from a purposefully shaped rock.
It is? Wow, you should tell all those scientists trying to show it possible they are wasting their time. They should just come and ask you instead. You'll win a Nobel prise.
Still does not answer why it would take intelligent beings tens of thousands of years to develop the skills that would enable them to progress. The population would have stayed only a few million until those skills were developed. So it's effectively a circular problem from your perspective.
Sure some knowledge was lost from past generations. We can still trace a gradual path of development and a lot of knowledge from past generations are in fact in use today. It all points to humanity arising 6,000 or at most 10,000 years ago. So you have to account for at least 40,000 years where no development took place.
Purposefully shaped to do a job? The very pictures in your linked article shows little purposeful shaping. Only through a lot of wishful thinking can those been seen as "shaped." I've picked up random sharp rocks before perfect for cutting so obviously they were manipulated for that purpose right?
Will you take the word of people that has dedicated their lives to studying design in biology and nature and can tell apart natural phenomena from purposeful acts? Somehow I don't think so.
HapticSimian
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Sad thing is the the poor child's probably slow-minded enough to view being ignored by multiple people as some sort of victory.
SaiyanZ
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Are you able to put several pieces of information together? Seems like it is extremely difficult for you.
It fully explains why it took long for people to develop. Smaller and isolated populations means fewer people to come up with new ideas and fewer people to share the knowledge with. Once the population reaches a critical mass the sharing of knowledge becomes easier and more inventions are made per given time. i.e. progress becomes exponential as we can see even to this day.
Also would you explain the dark ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
1000 years of hardly any progress. We have a few hundred million people and according to you, people were so intelligent that they wouldn't have regressed for such a long time.
As for your rock story, you should become an archaeologist since you seem to know a lot about the field.
porchrat
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He has probably already convinced himself that we all ignore him because he makes such good points and has decimated the theory of evolution with his scientific genius.
HapticSimian
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He has probably already convinced himself that we all ignore him because he makes such good points and has decimated the theory of evolution with his scientific genius.
I've little doubt. I'd check his posts to verify, but I've reached my limit of bull**** from that particular source.
Please provide some reasoning as to why you would argue that nylon digesting organisms constitute a new species. There are many other examples of speciation to help people understand evolution. I don't think this is one given the fact that the nylonase enzyme was pre-existing. Mutations occurred that increased its efficiency. Please use BLAST (do you know how?) to see just how widespread the enzyme is. It is just another enzyme that breaks down an amide bond.
No prize for you sorry unless you have some sort of definition of "species". There are like at least 20 different onse already, so I suppose you can make up another one becuase it is all made up right?
You should actually read the link from your linked article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)#Modern_academic_use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)#Modern_popular_use
The "dark age" nonsense has been debunked so many times it is not even funny anymore. Please read more about this very interesting period in history. The Renaissance didn't come from a vacuum you know.
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SaiyanZ
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The links don't say much apart from the use of the term Dark Ages. Call it what you will. Very little world changing innovations came out of that long period compared to before and after. That is the point.