Retirement Annuities - how is yours doing?

xrapidx

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Just checking mine...

Started it in September 2009.

After almost 18 months its shown a 3.5% total gain after fee's.

Total Fee's paid : 5.8% of amount put in.

Currently the RA is worth more
 
do you mind me asking who yours is with?
I've just got one with liberty and unsure about my choice now... Still got like ~25 odd days left of my cooling off period before I get locked in.
 
An RA is a long term investment, you can't really look at it now and try compare it to a normal investment.

@xRapidx you need to factor in the tax break that you get as well...
 
I realise that - but I still think 3.5% is low...and fees of 5.8% are high.

e.g. - to put in R100,000 you pay R5,800... it means the policy will need to make around 6.8% just to cover fees.
 
I realise that - but I still think 3.5% is low...and fees of 5.8% are high.

e.g. - to put in R100,000 you pay R5,800... it means the policy will need to make around 6.8% just to cover fees.

5.8% is a bit high but the thing is the expenses will seem high but there are two reasons for this. 1. Your policy value is low and as time goes on this will increase and the fees will be spread over a larger amount. 2. Costs for setting up the policy tend to be high (admin, lawyers drafting policy documents, etc.), annual fees going forward should be considerably less.
 
I'm going to have to monitor it... and also work out how much its actually saving me in money tax wise, pointless if the amount saved on a tax break is less than an amount that could be made on a taxable income source.
 
I loathe percentage based fees. I absolutely LOATHE them. It doesn't really make sense to me to be honest. :(
 
I'm going to have to monitor it... and also work out how much its actually saving me in money tax wise, pointless if the amount saved on a tax break is less than an amount that could be made on a taxable income source.

You are going to have to pay tax anyway when you eventually get your money. I think that the tax savings are decent, but very overhyped by a lot of investment people.
 
Putting everything into hosue at moment.
Looked at RA's, but it just made more sense to put it into my house (I am terrified interest rates start going up)
 
Putting everything into hosue at moment.
Looked at RA's, but it just made more sense to put it into my house (I am terrified interest rates start going up)

This seems to make sound financial sense. Pump as much money as possible into paying off one's debts before investing in too many other things.

Just remember to save some money though - for those rainy days when "s*$& happens".
 
You are going to have to pay tax anyway when you eventually get your money. I think that the tax savings are decent, but very overhyped by a lot of investment people.

No, it does have a real benefit.

The reason being is that you pay less tax now, you earn interest on the money and then you pay a lower rate of tax on the money when you have it as a retirement income.
Obviously it works best when you earn a lot of money but there still is an incentive for lower earners.
 
5.8% fees? I currently pay my financial advisor 1% and i'm kicking his ass at the end of this month. get educated man. yesterday i mad 4k on the jse for eg.
 
This seems to make sound financial sense. Pump as much money as possible into paying off one's debts before investing in too many other things.

Just remember to save some money though - for those rainy days when "s*$& happens".

Its all goign into an access bond so the money is available if needed. I have burnt myself plenty in the past, so have managed to gain some kind of responsibility with regards to money (so hopefully i dont draw it in a drunken spending spree)


5.8% fees? I currently pay my financial advisor 1% and i'm kicking his ass at the end of this month. get educated man. yesterday i mad 4k on the jse for eg.

I won 3k at a roulette table....mad skillz
 
Can't say that I am impressed with my RA performances - would have been better to just invest in the index over the period ( > 10 yrs).
 
Anyone know if there are penalties in moving your RA? I know there used to be, and I can't find anything in the documentation.
 
ABSA is expensive - hate them.

When my father passed he left some money in an investment account at ABSA for us. After 6 years I was free to fo what I want and took it ... The fee's were insane!

I emailed and pointed them out and got a reply stating 'Please refer to the letter you signed on xxx date agreeing to the fees. Thanks'

I didn't sign - but fighting was just effort. I'd hoped they'd at least waive something for good will, as the money was there for 7 years and I'd have invested more with them
 
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