Retrenchment question

BradleyKZN

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Hi all,

So im getting retrenched soon, and have a question.

From 2009 to 2011 I was a fixed term contract worker, and then in 2011 I became permanent.

Now what im wondering is, will I get a retrenchment package from 2009 or 2011?

If it helps, in the fixed term contract, it states that should I be retrenched, the severance pay, if any, shall be set out in the BCEA.

So which is it?
 

guest2013-1

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falls on the BCEA, your contract defaults to it, so I think it's 2 months severance and leave paid out if I remember correctly
 

crackersa

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what does your letter of appointment say? note that anything that was guaranteed under the contract will not be honored unless specifically stated so in the letter of appointment (and your signing of it)
 

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I'm no expert but i think that you will only get from 2011 when you went perm. If the company offers you the minimum required by law that you will get 1 week pay for every COMPLETED year as severance and any leave due to you. so if you worked 1 year 11 months you will only get for 1 year = 1 week pay
 

werfie

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2009... You get 1 Weeks compensation for every year of completed employment. There is no reference to the terms set out in the Contract of Employment. Even if you were employed on a fixed term contract, you were still employed.
 

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Temporary workers with fixed term contracts will receive the same benefit as permanent employees when it comes to retrenchment, so you will be entitled to a package calculated from 2009. Fixed term contract workers in fact have more rights come retrenchment time than permanent staff members, as the courts recently ruled that they cannot retrench you prior to the end date of your contract. Pity you weren't still on a fixed term contract...
 

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Temporary workers with fixed term contracts will receive the same benefit as permanent employees when it comes to retrenchment, so you will be entitled to a package calculated from 2009. Fixed term contract workers in fact have more rights come retrenchment time than permanent staff members, as the courts recently ruled that they cannot retrench you prior to the end date of your contract. Pity you weren't still on a fixed term contract...

You cannot retrench a contract worker. You can only end the contract by date and or a specified milestone. If you end a contract workers contract before specified date it will be considered a breach of contract and the balance of the contract becomes payable. The only time a contract worker is successful is in court is when a expectation was created by the employer.
 
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gravity

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Hi I also have a question about retrenchment packages.
I will be getting retrenched soon and I have worked for 5 years for the company.
This is my first time being retrenched and I understand that the first R30,000.00 is exempt from Tax if it is the first retrenchment package.
My question is, will I be exempt from the first R30,000.00 tax deduction - if I was previously terminated (not retrenched) from my previous job where the employer decided after the probation period not to permanently employ me?
 
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Hi I also have a question about retrenchment packages.
I will be getting retrenched soon and I have worked for 5 years for the company.
This is my first time being retrenched and I understand that the first R30,000.00 is exempt from Tax if it is the first retrenchment package.
My question is, will I be exempt from the first R30,000.00 tax deduction - if I was previously terminated (not retrenched) from my previous job where the employer decided after the probation period not to permanently employ me?

Your previous termination should have nothing to do with this retrenchment, because it is simply, not a retrenchment.

On the R30,000 tax exemption, I think it is more R300,000 (maybe more). I have been recently retrenched and my package was more than R30,000. The severence pay is exempted from tax, but not the leave pay. On second retrenchment though the limits of tax exemption is a lot lower, if any.
 

Gaz{M}

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I can't believe the $%$#ing taxman even takes a chunk of your severance pay when you are out on the street. It's sickening!
 

Tigerman

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Severance pay is taxable

I can't believe the $%$#ing taxman even takes a chunk of your severance pay when you are out on the street. It's sickening!


I too was retrenched. Termination pay usually includes outstanding leave pay, 1 week severance for each year worked, etc. The employer must apply to Sars for a tax directive, which tells him how to treat the income tax deduction. Note severance amounts are taxed under a separate section to leave and pension payouts.

If the now former employee feels he has reason to dispute the retrenchment, e.g. unfairly retrenched, and takes it to the CCMA and/or Labour Court and is successful, the settlement received is subject to further income tax deductions even if the settlement is received in the following tax year(s). However, any legal costs in pursuing the settlement are tax deductible.

Retrenchment is "no fault" but must follow s180-something of the Labour Relations Act. However, "retrenched" posts are frequently readvertised with only the job titles different or affected employees asked if they want to continue working but without a contract. This is not true job reductions for "operational reasons". So many sins are being hidden under the rubric of retrenchment.

Out of the blue I was told I was been retrenched. In that small concern, i and other senior staff - professionals who ran the place - were ignorant of the alleged operational reasons and restructuring behind it. Financially, the organisation was fine. I was the first ever to be retrenched, and when I asked if others were been targeted, told possibly. That was a lie.

The LRA says retrenchment must be a "last resort" and the retrenched person's duties cannot be outsourced - then it's not retrenchment - and alternative openings must be evaluated within the company during "meaningful consultations" that precede the final determination. The onus is on the employer to prove retrenchment is the only option and must provide full details to affected employees during consultations.

In my case, as in many, I'm sure, the decision to retrench had been made prior to any consultations; fait accompli. No alternative post, even at a lower salary, was offered, despite me suggesting options because they needed someone to fill my duties. They were admanant they would employ someone else - later they got 2 people to fill my duties and outsourced an aspect to a consultant. I was dismissed (retrenchment is involuntary or forced dismissal) eventually. I informed them I would take it to the Labour Court, which I did at eye-watering cost. Nevertheless, they were surprised. The matter was settled just before trial.

To cut a long story short, people affected by retrenchment must know their rights - info is on the internet; question employers about the rationale for retrenchment and ensure meaningful consultations takes place prior the final determination. Somewhere on a mybroadband forum on this topic someone said "the CCMA does not consider retrenchment; go to the Labour Court". The CCMA does if it the applicant considers it to be unfair dismissal. Anyway, applicants must first approach the CCMA (conciliation and arbitration or conciliation only) before approaching the Labour Court on any dispute, if the parties so wish - the Court will not hear the matter otherwise.

Are CCMA commissioners up to the task? Chamber of Mines in the platinum dispute mediator recently complained they're not. The commissioner in my conciliation hearing was biased and incompetent. So even during the hearings, parties must ensure they know their rights as some commissioners, in my view, want to pressure one or other side so that they can sign off another "successful" hearing, but not necessarily in the parties' interests.
 

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Just something interesting I found out recently - which I don't know if it correct.

Say you earn R10,000pm CTC - (made up of R4k tax, , R2k medical, R1k pension) and you owe the company for your leave - they deem it as you earn R454.00 per day (R10k / 22) and you pay back the rate.

I'd have thought medical and pension are excluded - so R7k / 22 = R318 per day

Wrong I think, as leave as nothing to do with medical or pension. Is that even legal?
 
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