Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

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NarrowBandFtw said:
well then tell your posse here to also stop with BBC ... and looooooooong before then: stop with Nexta, Ukraine weapons tracker, Bellingcat, Kiev Independent etc
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My Posse? I'm completely independent here. Just because some agree with me doesn't mean I have a posse.
 
Mirai said:
What lies?
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If you are really interested The Grayzone and Peter Hitchens of the Mail on Sunday exposed Bellingcat and Elliot Higgins regarding the OPCW cover up involving the (non) use of chemical weapons in Syria - specifically Douma. They have a lot of material that can be searched. Some other media also covered it, but not many. (Tucker Carlson's show did, La Re Republicca of Italy, and one of the French media oulets). Hitchens travelled to go interview Henderson and another senior weapons inspector at the OPCW in person.
 
Nicodeamus said:
You just described the USA and UKs behaviour during the last 30 years. Russia is a reality, it isn't a cuddly bear. You just have to learn to live with it as we lived with Bush.
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The UK and USA have never threatened to use nukes this century. Russia has. Several times. Putin's stated objective of recapturing the Russian empire of Peter the Great has finally been exposed.
 
Mirai said:
I have no idea. They don't publish those. What do you think?
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The concern for me is that Russia, while severely lacking in quality, has quantity as an advantage - they could, in theory, Zerg the Ukranians - that said, they're still human and if they keep getting shredded they may eventually lose the will on the ground no matter what the Kremlin does. It's what makes the incoming shipments of superior artillery, rockets and drones so imperative.

Ukraine has to be able to hold them at arms length and pulverise their meat shield from distance without taking significant personnel loss in return - otherwise Russia will eventually overwhelm through sheer numbers.

32K feet underground is significant though.

Another gift to Russia from Uncle Vlad.

PS: No one spends that amount of lives just to clean out another country's Neo-Nazi problem (and for those on the other side of the fence, the same does not apply in reverse - when your home is attacked you'll fight to the last living person to defend it especially when you're being attacked by a proven war crime perpetrator - your choice is stark: fight or have your very identity destroyed/erased)
 
Nicodeamus said:
As with the Iraq war, entire French elite is seeing through the regime change propaganda.
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The French elite? I thought all the French are equal? They had a revolution to achieve that. Do you mean the rich French?
 
Pak Fa Fui said:
Oh the western medicine as if the east have no medicine or technology
Also, which western parts do Russia use in their weapons
We already concluded the the US weapons are made with Chinese parts
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Show the Eastern medical industry that doesn't use Western techniques or medicines?

"We" concluded the US weapons are made using Chinese parts? Who are "we"? And I assure you that sensitive and secret components of Western weapons will not be made in China. Simple generic parts yes, Sensitive parts that make it work, no.

Can you tell me your experience in the weapons industry that allows you to say where sensitive components are made? I bet you have no weapons industry experience whatsoever, nor military experience but blab off like a big mouth that thinks he has.
 
Nicodeamus said:
The vaccine was a dud to begin with and the virus a scam.
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Tell that to my religious brother in law that listened to pastors instead of medical specialists and refused to vax. He's on a ventilator and fighting for his life plus has Covid induced Guillain-Barre syndrome that has paralysed him from the neck down. His family has rushed to get vaxxed after seeing what Covid can do.

Stop spreading lies that can kill other people that might listen to you Nico.
 
Illegal Allien said:
The thing i hate most in a war is a bunch of attention seeking celeb wannabes. Taking attention from the other unspoken thousands doing the hard work. I wish all these attention seekers get smoked.
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I'm not sure that's the case here.

This 'celeb wannabe' is doing a pretty good job of humanising the conflict by providing a very personal account of his experience as it's unfolding. What he does and posts in no shape or form undermines the contribution and sacrifice of the unspoken thousands. In fact, by providing access and a window for the outside world, he highlights and emphasises the work of the unspoken thousands. My feeling is that he boosts morale rather than lowers it. Human nature is such that, whether we like it or not, we tend to relate to those we have a closer connection to and Vasquez provides that connection (and thus an additional bridge to Ukraine's native soldiers) for many non-Ukranians.

He's not sitting there swigging champers with artillery explosions framing his insta posts 10 kms in the background.
 
Nicodeamus said:
If you actually read up on Louis Pasteur you will realise what a charleton and fraud he was. He faked most of his results and did shady experiments. Including his rabbied vaccines.
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Ah, another medical expert with no medical training at all. Everybody that doesn't suit your vision was a fake and charlatan.
 
Nicodeamus said:
Sanofi and GSK did develop a dead antigen one together. But unlike pfizer they couldn't get to the market fast. Pfizer we now know deliberately broke the control group and the RNC in Denmark showed that it doesn't work.

I am pretty antivax to begin with so using a vaccine as a talking point us kind of stupid.
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You're telling me my vaccines don't work? I've never had Covid despite being a contact tracer and going among those that had Covid.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
You're telling me my vaccines don't work? I've never had Covid despite being a contact tracer and going among those that had Covid.
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The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the disease and it doesn't stop you from spreading it.
No vaccine does that. It isn't a piece of magic.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Tell that to my religious brother in law that listened to pastors instead of medical specialists and refused to vax. He's on a ventilator and fighting for his life plus has Covid induced Guillain-Barre syndrome that has paralysed him from the neck down. His family has rushed to get vaxxed after seeing what Covid can do.

Stop spreading lies that can kill other people that might listen to you Nico.
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There is no indication that a vaccine would have done him any better. The biggest predictor of death is obesity and age. People have 2 years to stop putting crappy food in their bodies and get in shape.

the evidence that covid was a deadly pandemic is just poor. The interventions such as high ventilator usuage killed people.
 
capd said:
@Mirai desperately needing a tag team mate this morning.

Shame.
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No contribution to the subject as usual? Just a comment on a debating opponent you don't have the skills nor knowledge to debate yet disagree with but can't say why?
 
capd said:
We can't think for ourselves! Let "fact" checkers think for us!

Masterful manipulation. Proper propaganda.
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So you have access to far more information than fact checkers, who do it for a living have? I suppose AmaBhungane are useless too and you know more than they do because you can apparently "Think for yourself"?
 
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