SA at boiling point

marine1 said:
Lancelot ....
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Excellent. Great to hear your opinion differs from mine. Keep it up as I won't be changing my opinion based on what you say. I'll keep an eye on the news for someone running through town with your machine gun shooting innocent black people, as this seems to be your idea of a solution.
 
marine1 said:
I for one think we need some cleansing to get rid of the rot.
I bieve sometimes war is necessary
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Well there you go this pretty much sums up the mindset of someone who users marine1 as his log in name on a forum :rolleyes: Probably someone without kids and a family who does not give a damn about the effects a war would have on the entire nation. You, my friend, have watched too many Rambo movies in your life time!
 
LancelotSA said:
Excellent. Great to hear your opinion differs from mine. Keep it up as I won't be changing my opinion based on what you say. I'll keep an eye on the news for someone running through town with your machine gun shooting innocent black people, as this seems to be your idea of a solution.
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But is it ok if someone kills and murder innocent white people, Like farmers like Uncle Eugene?
 
al jazeera having a special show about the "crisis" right now
 
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Yep,
International news

http://cofcc.org/2010/03/uk-times-south-africas-white-farmers-are-being-wiped-out/

Death has stalked South Africa’s white farmers for years. The number murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994 has passed 3,000.

In neighbouring Zimbabwe, a campaign of intimidation that began in 2000 has driven more than 4,000 commercial farmers off their land, but has left fewer than two dozen dead.

The vulnerability felt by South Africa’s 40,000 remaining white farmers intensified earlier this month when Julius Malema, head of the African National Congress’s (ANC’s) youth league, opened a public rally by singing Dubula Ibhunu, or Shoot the Boer, an apartheid-era anthem, that was banned by the high court last week.

Malema’s timing could hardly have been worse. Last weekend in the remote farming community of Colenso, in KwaZulu-Natal, Nigel Ralfe, 71, a dairy farmer, and his wife Lynette, 64, were gunned down as they milked their cows. He was critically injured; she died.

That same day a 46-year-old Afrikaner was shot through his bedroom window as he slept at his farm near Potchefstroom. A few days later a 61-year-old was stabbed to death in his bed at a farm in Limpopo.

The resurrection of Dubula Ibhunu, defended by senior ANC officials as little more then a sentimental old struggle song, has been greeted with alarm by Tom Stokes, of the opposition Democratic Alliance. He said the ANC’s continued association with the call to kill Boers could not be justified.

“Any argument by the ANC that this song is merely a preservation of struggle literature rings hollow in the face of farming families who have lost wives, mothers and grandmothers,” he added.

He was supported by Anton Alberts of the right-wing Freedom Front Plus party: “Malema’s comments are creating an atmosphere that is conducive to those who want to commit murder. He’s an accessory to the wiping out of farmers in South Africa.”

Rossouw Cillier, Pieter’s brother, bristled as he pointed to the bullet holes in the panelled kitchen of the farmhouse near Ceres in the Western Cape. “They shot him through the fridge from the back door — the bullets came straight through here, into his heart. He never had a chance,” he said.

A successful apple and pear grower, he believes his community is living on borrowed time: “More white farmers have been killed than British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes, we are at war here.”

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

White farmers 'being wiped out'
Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate.


A man walks through a field of crosses erected near Pretoria, South Africa, to honour mostly white farmers who have died in farm attacks over past decade.
Dan McDougall in Ceres, Western Cape
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THE gunmen walked silently through the orchard. Skirting a row of burnt-out tyres, set ablaze months earlier to keep the budding fruit from freezing, they drew their old .38 revolvers.

Inside his farmhouse Pieter Cillier, 57, slept with his 14-year-old daughter Nikki at his side. His 12-year-old son JD was having a sleepover with two teenagers in an adjoining room.

As the intruders broke in, the farmer woke. He rushed to stop them, only to be shot twice in the chest.

In his death throes he would have seen his killers and then his children standing over him, screaming and crying.
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The attackers, who were drug addicts, simply disappeared into the night. Cillier’s murder, at Christmas, was barely reported in the local press. It was, after all, everyday news.

Death has stalked South Africa’s white farmers for years. The number murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994 has passed 3,000.

In neighbouring Zimbabwe, a campaign of intimidation that began in 2000 has driven more than 4,000 commercial farmers off their land, but has left fewer than two dozen dead.

The vulnerability felt by South Africa’s 40,000 remaining white farmers intensified earlier this month when Julius Malema, head of the African National Congress’s (ANC’s) youth league, opened a public rally by singing Dubula Ibhunu, or Shoot the Boer, an apartheid-era anthem, that was banned by the high court last week.

Malema’s timing could hardly have been worse. Last weekend in the remote farming community of Colenso, in KwaZulu-Natal, Nigel Ralfe, 71, a dairy farmer, and his wife Lynette, 64, were gunned down as they milked their cows. He was critically injured; she died.

That same day a 46-year-old Afrikaner was shot through his bedroom window as he slept at his farm near Potchefstroom. A few days later a 61-year-old was stabbed to death in his bed at a farm in Limpopo.

The resurrection of Dubula Ibhunu, defended by senior ANC officials as little more then a sentimental old struggle song, has been greeted with alarm by Tom Stokes, of the opposition Democratic Alliance. He said the ANC’s continued association with the call to kill Boers could not be justified.

“Any argument by the ANC that this song is merely a preservation of struggle literature rings hollow in the face of farming families who have lost wives, mothers and grandmothers,” he added.

He was supported by Anton Alberts of the right-wing Freedom Front Plus party: “Malema’s comments are creating an atmosphere that is conducive to those who want to commit murder. He’s an accessory to the wiping out of farmers in South Africa.”

Rossouw Cillier, Pieter’s brother, bristled as he pointed to the bullet holes in the panelled kitchen of the farmhouse near Ceres in the Western Cape. “They shot him through the fridge from the back door — the bullets came straight through here, into his heart. He never had a chance,” he said.

A successful apple and pear grower, he believes his community is living on borrowed time: “More white farmers have been killed than British soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes, we are at war here.”

His brother’s farmhouse is now shuttered and empty. “I can’t spend time here. We’ll have to sell. This farm has been in our family for generations but it must go. Who’ll manage it? The children will never come back here. They held their own father as he died in front of them. Will they ever get over that?”

As we walked across the orchard, fruit destined for the shelves of Tesco and Sainsbury’s in the UK was still being picked. A tractor passed a 10ft cross erected in honour of the murdered farmer.

“It lights up at night,” Rossouw said. “My brother was a religious man. It’s all that’s left of him here.”

Across South Africa many farmers feel endangered. In Northern Province a tribute has been created beneath an enormous sign with the stark Afrikaans word “plaasmoorde” — farm killings. Thousands of white wooden crosses have been planted across a mountainside, one for each fallen farmer.

Recently the government’s department of rural development has been airing proposals to nationalise productive farmland as a “national asset”. Critics claim it is designed to deflect criticism from the ruling ANC’s failures.

“It’s a lot easier talking about nationalising farms than building decent houses, making clean water come out of taps or honouring promises to redistribute farm plots to millions of landless poor,” said a spokesman for AgriSA, the farmers’ union.

On the outskirts of Ceres there are few groceries in the township store — tins of pilchards, baked beans, some dried biscuits. A group of teenage boys sit on the burnt-out remains of a Ford Escort. This is where Cillier’s killers gathered, in a shebeen, a drinking club, where they fortified themselves with cheap hooch before they set off to rob him. They escaped with nothing.

According to Rossouw Cillier the most telling detail is that his brother was unarmed when they attacked. “If we brandish a weapon, we’ll go to prison, not them. What did they gain from this murder? It was an act as pointless as their lives.”
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AntiThesis said:
Civil war is about the worst thing that could happen in our country. I know you want to help us Unite SA rather than tearing it apart. Enough talk about weapons and other stuff that'll just get people killed.
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So what do you suggest? A return to the gradual devolution of SA? With a suspected criminal in charge and a muppet with more bling than brains? A dystopian future for non-black children? Don’t you think those that oppose this crap may object violently? Even after putting up with MEGA crap in the name of democracy excessive tolerance is being misinterpretated by the ANC as weakness (they think they can exploit this). Maybe this display of thuggish savagery in the death of ET was the straw that broke the camels back.
 
Question ... if the fit does hit the shan, where can we take up arms to protect our families? ... I'm not inciting violence or anything ... but I once came accross a saying ... to live in peace, we must prepare for war ... and personally, if something does happen I want to be ready ... I don't want a war ... but I don't want to be a sitting duck ...
 
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eitai2001 said:
Question ... if the fit does hit the shan, where can we take up arms to protect our families? ... I'm not inciting violence or anything ... but I once came accross a saying ... to live in peace, we must prepare for war ... and personally, if something does happen I want to be ready ... I don't want a war ... but I don't want to be a sitting duck ...
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In a worst case scenario situation, if you don't already own a gun I would say it's too late.
 
eitai2001 said:
Question ... if the fit does hit the shan, where can we take up arms to protect our families? ... I'm not inciting violence or anything ... but I once came accross a saying ... to live in peace, we must prepare for war ... and personally, if something does happen I want to be ready ... I don't want a war ... but I don't want to be a sitting duck ...
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There are weapon caches all over the country. Boers have been preparing for this for a very long time. Announcing where they are on a public forum will not be a very good idea though.

I suggest you have a talk to the biggest boer you know, you can bet anything that he can tell you where to get a weapon from.

I do not support this in anyway, I am merely telling the guy so that he can protect his family
 
Fudzy said:
In a worst case scenario situation, if you don't already own a gun I would say it's too late.
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Yeah ... don't own a gun ... and don't want to get one illegally unless absolutely necessary, and won't be able to get one legally ... so what does one do ... lol ... I could probably manufacture home made low explosives :P ... Charcoal, Saltpetre and Sulfur from the chemist ... but that's just being dorf :p
 
iPirate said:
There are weapon caches all over the country. Boers have been preparing for this for a very long time. Announcing where they are on a public forum will not be a very good idea though.

I suggest you have a talk to the biggest boer you know, you can bet anything that he can tell you where to get a weapon from.

I do not support this in anyway, I am merely telling the guy so that he can protect his family
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Thanks ... I also do not support this in any way ... BUT, if things turn sour ... my family is top priority
 
eitai2001 said:
Yeah ... don't own a gun ... and don't want to get one illegally unless absolutely necessary, and won't be able to get one legally ... so what does one do ... lol ... I could probably manufacture home made low explosives :P ... Charcoal, Saltpetre and Sulfur from the chemist ... but that's just being dorf :p
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Yeah come to think of it, even you have several days worth of ammo I would imagine if someone or some group are trying to get into your homestead the odds are they'll eventually get in and only be more pissed off at the fact you've capped a couple of their mates will only make the situation worse.
 
Fudzy said:
Yeah come to think of it, even you have several days worth of ammo I would imagine if someone or some group are trying to get into your homestead the odds are they'll eventually get in and only be more pissed off at the fact you've capped a couple of their mates will only make the situation worse.
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True ... well no reason they would try get in ... I'm no one of importance to them ... but looters, or random idiots ...
 
eitai2001 said:
True ... well no reason they would try get in ... I'm no one of importance to them ... but looters, or random idiots ...
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Well that's who I'd be really worried about too. The problem is if the right wing do start a civil war, the rest of us will undoubtedly be painted by the same brush. So here's hoping this all quells over with words rather than bullets.
 
Fudzy said:
Well that's who I'd be really worried about too. The problem is if the right wing do start a civil war, the rest of us will undoubtedly be painted by the same brush. So here's hoping this all quells over with words rather than bullets.
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Yeah ... but always better to know what you can do just in case ... it's the accounting concept of prudence :p ... always assume the worst scenario and go from there ...

Anyway ... just give me a nice M16 and some truckloads of food ... will lock myself upstairs and lock the security gate ... and shoot any idiot that runs up the stairs ... much the way I do in FPS games :P ... lol ... well that's my gameplace if anything major happens ... lets
hope not ... although I am glad I did the web design once for a gun shop, got lots of good training out of them ... in fact, I once got to use a sniper rifle ... unfortunately I found out who it belonged too today ... wasn't too happy about it ... Eugene DeCock ... I don't
want to know how many were killed with that gun ... I prefer shooting as a sport (on the range with a paper target), not a lifeline ... don't even like hunting.
 
Lol ... who's up for building a barracks ... we need 2,000,000 gold, 10,000,000 wood and takes about 20 minutes :p
 
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