SA Hosting: Virtual versus Dedicated Servers

bridgetroll said:
That's fine for the corporates but how much does each virtual machine end up costing ? Those hosting companies sell to the cheapskate market.

If Wayne took his entry level server and split it into 3 parts (and divided the price by 2.5) he would be fine but I suspect he doesn't have the in house skills to manage that properly. A decent SAN and VMWare solution would make that easier but then his costs would go up again.
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Understand what your'e saying there. A standard VM is about R1250 excl with 1cpu, 50gb drive and 1gb ram. No traffic included though. This already includes a geo redundant option.

Not the cheapest as you can see, but then again I can assure you that you get more than what you pay for. Proper 8g FC SAN with 15krpm disks, hosts with X56xx hexcores, 1333mhz ram etc.

To make it even cooler I have 10gbit lines to all our data centers enabling me to have my storage fabric 50km apart for proper redundancy.

Ok enough about this! :-)
 
Murmaider said:
And you would be 100% happy and feel secure knowing that your VPS was running of a single SATA hard drive with no redundancy at all? Sounds like cutting corners to me.
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As long as its made clear up front its about what I would expect for R300 a month. Its not any different to his current entry level server offering.
 
I think some have missed the point / concept of the article, in my opinion there is a use for both VPS's and dedicated servers dependent on what the user wants.

The point of the article is that dedicated server pricing has dropped dramatically over the years to a point where it’s almost as cheap as VPS hosting in SA (almost)

Interesting that they are cheaper for their dedicated servers than Hetzner, Afrihost, RSAWeb.

Does anybody have a dedicated server with Diamatrix that can comment?
 
Cloud != Virtual and Dedicated is a thing of the past

Dedicated servers arent ideal. SA providers generally provide them on cheap hardware to get the pricing down, this increases failure rates.

RSAWEB utilises cloud computing, not virtual servers, resources are not oversubscribed (guaranteed) and all data is stored on high end SAN hardware giving excellent performance. Hosts are all delivered on high end Dual Intel Xeon's in Dell servers. Should a host have any issues, our platform automatically migrates the running servers to other physical hosts (without a reboot!) try getting that right on dedicated hardware.

Multitenanting your own dedicated server can work for you, but what happens when you need more resources on the physical host? You have to take all your machines offline, do an upgrade and pray.

Infrastructure as a service is really the future. Its resources, ondemand, NOW. You decide what resources to buy, you upgrade, add new servers on demand via a control panel and it happens in a minute or two. This is IaaS and Cloud.

Dedicated does have its place, if the hosting provider flexible enough and you buy enough of them in the same custom solution to negate any hardware failures with your own sAN then you can build your own private cloud. But is it worth it? Usually not, unless you are a bank.

IaaS all the way. Checkout the RSAWEB Cloud and get a free 7day trial server. http://www.rsawebcloud.com
 
markslingsby said:
Dedicated servers arent ideal. SA providers generally provide them on cheap hardware to get the pricing down, this increases failure rates.
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Mr. Marksling, perhaps you can tell me why on earth anyone would consider paying R1495 p/m for a server with 80GB disk space and only 20GB bandwidth allotment? For the same price you can get a dedicated server with more resources available. Unfortunately not every sales pitch that starts with "if our hardware dies, your server will be migrated to another server and keep a steady uptime" will be successful.

Also what are you concentrating on here? Bad hardware? In the competitive market which is hosting, price has a lot to do with everything. If a hosting provider guarantees a 99.999% uptime, why should I be concerned with it at all? If my dedicated server goes down they have a tiny window in which to fix the problem or I get my money back.

Cloud hosting is good, but not for what is available price-wise. There are better options available to people currently.
 
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markslingsby said:
Dedicated servers arent ideal. SA providers generally provide them on cheap hardware to get the pricing down, this increases failure rates.

RSAWEB utilises cloud computing, not virtual servers, resources are not oversubscribed (guaranteed) and all data is stored on high end SAN hardware giving excellent performance. Hosts are all delivered on high end Dual Intel Xeon's in Dell servers. Should a host have any issues, our platform automatically migrates the running servers to other physical hosts (without a reboot!) try getting that right on dedicated hardware.

Multitenanting your own dedicated server can work for you, but what happens when you need more resources on the physical host? You have to take all your machines offline, do an upgrade and pray.

Infrastructure as a service is really the future. Its resources, ondemand, NOW. You decide what resources to buy, you upgrade, add new servers on demand via a control panel and it happens in a minute or two. This is IaaS and Cloud.

Dedicated does have its place, if the hosting provider flexible enough and you buy enough of them in the same custom solution to negate any hardware failures with your own sAN then you can build your own private cloud. But is it worth it? Usually not, unless you are a bank.

IaaS all the way. Checkout the RSAWEB Cloud and get a free 7day trial server. http://www.rsawebcloud.com
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I would actually love to see some sort of performance benchmark from a guest VM running on your solution.
 
Message to Wayne Diamond: Diamatrix should stopping spamming, then you farts can start talking publicly.
 
I think that a VPS is a stepping stone. I started a small company that went from Shared hosting to a VPS (the change was SOOOO worth it). Then we were meant to step up to dedicated, but I pulled out then.

A VPS is only worthwhile if you cannot afford dedicated in my opinion.
 
At my office we're running pretty much all our servers on virtual machines, because it's easy to maintain (backup / restore / clone / scaling / changing resource allocation) and it takes up less rack space, which can be quite expensive in a data center.

There will always be a need for dedicated servers, which is pretty much just a hardware limitation on what the VPS solutions can offer you.

The need for dedicated servers might still be bigger in SA than the need for VPS, but it would be silly not to cater for VPS solutions too.
 
And in typical fashion someone has to come and name drop. Wouldn't be surprised if you are affiliate...
 
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