SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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Nah , not manufactured
Remember with retail etc that have millions of codes and then the gov expanded the no vat list
Those had to be all changed
Now they have to be changed back
It is not just clicking and saying 15 instead of 15.5
Also all items have to be relabelled as end use item includes vat ...
A Huge PITA if you are in that industry

Never mind there is a court ruling coming that can also play a part in if it is 15 or 15.5
 
What are we looking at here? Another shadow GNU? Half a GNU? Any GNU? Where's the mighty IFP? Who's missing other than IFP/DA/FF?

It's also getting a bit much were all the parties colours are green and yellow.
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It was everyone who voted with the ANC on the budget.
He looks tired. Didn't he say auctionsa will never partner up with ANC ever ever amen? Isn't that why they didn't join GNU when ANC was inviting absolutely everyone, I'm sure ASA were invited too?
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He did, but DA BAD won the day.
Where's Gayton? It's not like him to miss a chance to be on tv.
Kunene was there to left of Herman.
 

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In an interview with City Press this week, ActionSA leader Herman Mashaba defended his party's delayed internal elections.

He confirmed that internal leadership elections had not taken place since ActionSA's formation in 2021, citing early issues with the party's free membership model.

"Our activists in most areas ended up just registering people who were not really serious members," he said.

As a corrective measure, the party introduced a R10 annual membership fee in September. The aim, Mashaba said, was to ensure that only genuine, committed members participate in the party's upcoming conference.


He said:

There's no point in going into an elective conference with my family. You need to go into an elective conference when you have real, committed members.

The guy should be honest like MK and say they'll never hold one while he's around.
 

The budget process must be started from scratch and Parliament must approve a new fiscal framework or make amendments to the current one to accommodate the withdrawal of the VAT increase.

This is according to a letter that Parliament's legal representatives wrote to the Western Cape High Court on Friday.

In the letter informing the court of the decision to withdraw the VAT increase, Parliament states that the fiscal framework adopted on 2 April with the support of numerous smaller parties can no longer stand. This framework provided for a VAT increase of 50 basis points.


READ: Treasury scraps controversial VAT hike – government faces R75bn cuts instead

The DA and the EFF's court case, in which they sought to stop the VAT increase, which was supposed to take effect on 1 May, was heard in court last Tuesday with a verdict expected this coming Tuesday.

The initial fiscal framework was approved by the ANC, the IFP, the Patriotic Alliance, ActionSA, the UDM, Rise Mzansi, Bosa, the PAC and Good.

Parliament is now proposing that either a new fiscal framework or an amended fiscal framework be adopted, followed by an 'entirely new [budget] process'.
According to Parliament's letter, the decision to abandon the VAT increase is not a concession that the DA and EFF's argument was correct. These parties argued that the process to adopt the fiscal framework was unlawful.


Meanwhile, the DA filed a supplementary affidavit in court on Friday after Treasury withdrew from settlement negotiations. The DA is asking the court to order that the VAT increase not take effect on 1 May and that the initial fiscal framework be declared unlawful.
According to the DA, Godongwana's gazetted announcement of the scrapping of a VAT hike is not enough to prevent the VAT increase, because the initial fiscal framework remains valid. The DA also argues that there is insufficient time to approve a new fiscal framework before 1 May. Under the VAT Act, the increase automatically takes effect as announced by the minister of finance.
The standing committee on finance, which must amend and approve the fiscal framework, will only sit on Wednesday, after which the National Assembly must accept it.

The DA and Treasury's settlement negotiations were terminated on Friday.
According to Helen Zille, chairperson of the DA's federal council, Treasury's legal representatives approached the DA's legal team with a settlement agreement on Wednesday evening.

The offer was made shortly before the ANC announced it would hold a press conference the next day, and a few hours before Treasury was to announce that it wanted to reverse the VAT increase.

On Thursday morning, the DA announced that Treasury had approached it with a settlement agreement regarding its court case. The DA then said that the court case was crucial in stopping the VAT increase.

READ: DA, EFF unite against ANC's VAT increase, say it's 'a blunder' set to harm the poor

Immediately after the DA's news conference, the ANC and the other smaller parties that had approved the initial fiscal framework in Parliament said that the reversal was thanks to them.

According to these parties, this was thanks to their weeks of negotiations after the initial fiscal framework was accepted with a VAT increase, but with the recommendation that alternative revenue should be sought.


On Thursday evening, Zille and ANC chief whip Mdumiseni Ntuli appeared on the SABC programme Face the Nation, during which Ntuli claimed that the DA was lying about settlement negotiations.
According to Ntuli, Godongwana told him this was not true, but Zille retorted that she had evidence.

However, she cannot disclose the evidence because Treasury's settlement offer was made on a without-prejudice basis. This means that this offer cannot be used in future legal actions and cannot be distributed further, except between the two legal teams.

By Friday afternoon, Treasury's legal team had withdrawn from the settlement negotiations.

City Press' sister publication Rapport understands that the negotiations were already at an advanced stage, with a DA source stating that it was clear the ANC had instructed Godongwana to withdraw from the negotiations.

The source said:

This was clearly done so that they could claim credit for the VAT reversal for themselves [the ANC] and the smaller parties.
The DA then submitted its supplementary statement to the court to make it clear that a court ruling was the only way to stop the VAT increase before 1 May.

Treasury and Parliament missed yesterday afternoon's deadline to submit their supplementary statements and so requested an extension.

Treasury did not respond to media enquiries regarding the settlement negotiations with the DA.
There will be no settlement. @wingnut771 @Major Boredom
 


The government of national unity (GNU) - with the DA in it - has survived – for now.

Despite the verbal and court battles that this year's budget has provoked, the ANC and the DA agreed on Friday to set up better mechanisms to handle disputes.

According to City Press' sister publication Rapport's sources, the parties also agreed to meet more frequently to negotiate issues before they escalate into a full-scale public crisis, as happened with the VAT debacle.

The meeting came a day after the ANC announced that its negotiations with smaller parties had led to Finance Minister Enoch Godongwana's decision to abandon the planned 0.5 percentage point VAT increase.

The DA was not at the media conference, but smaller GNU partners including the IFP, the Patriotic Alliance (PA), the United Democratic Movement, Rise Mzansi, Al Jama-ah, Good and the PAC were.

Parties outside the GNU, such as Herman Mashaba's ActionSA, Mmusi Maimane's Bosa and Fadiel Adams' National Coloured Congress, also attended the media conference.


There, they criticised the DA after the ANC's largest GNU partner said its court case was crucial in stopping the tax increase.


Songezo Zibi of Rise Mzansi accused the DA of, among other things, extortion, while the IFP's Mkhuleko Hlengwa said the DA must decide whether it wants to be in government or in opposition to government.

The PA's Kenny Kunene claimed that the DA did not have the "moral authority" to claim victory in the VAT saga.

Several of the smaller GNU parties demanded that space be made in the GNU for ActionSA and Bosa.

However, the publication has learnt that the inclusion of these two parties was not on the table at all during the meeting between the ANC and the DA on Friday.
I.e. they got played.
Despite Thursday's insults, Friday's meeting was described by DA leader John Steenhuisen as "very constructive and friendly".

Steenhuisen said:



Our focus was on the way forward and how we are going to get this budget through. It was agreed that we will have to manage disputes much better going forward, because the last month has damaged the credibility of the GNU.
Steenhuisen led the DA delegation, while Fikile Mbalula, the ANC's secretary-general, headed his party's delegation.

After the meeting, the ANC said: "South Africa must come first. As leaders, we owe it to the people of this country – black and white, young and old – to rise above narrow political interests and work together in the spirit of unity and shared progress."
 
The entire reason why this has spiralled out of control is because the ANC refused to compromise and talk to the DA about the budget in the first place
Yeah it just legally cant be resolved in the GNU , no matter how much people wish it
The people voted that VAT must increase... So it must increase
 
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