SA Politics Thread Part 12

[ghaye]

It might shock you but Dada does not manage the operations of the city.

You mean unlike Brink that had to run all of Tshwane's operations?



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[TheChamp]

I'm pretty sure they ((CoCT) use these water tankers during planned water maintenance work.

Thanks for supporting my point.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Although not the last set of by-elections for the year, definitely the last big set of by-elections.

We begin in the Eastern Cape, where the ANC should easily hold in Makana (the Makana Citizens Front is not competing in the by-election, hence the ***). There are two highly competitive by-elections elsewhere in the EC, with a straight ANC-DA battle Kouga while in Kou-Kamma, while the results may suggest a tight three-way battle, in reality it's likely to be one between the ANC and the PA.

We next turn to Gauteng, with a safe Joburg north ward for the DA. Likewise in Merafong City, the ANC will be expected to coast home. In KZN, given the wholly dominant performance of the MK in the 2024 provincial ballot in the ward - and despite under-performance post the 2024 election, I'd still expect the MK to take the ward off the ANC.

In the Northern Cape, the 2024 provincial ballot results are first, with the 2021 municipal results in brackets. Given the underperformance of the DA in the NC, I can't see them winning any of the two wards. Not sure how the ANC more than doubled their vote share in the Hantam ward between 2021 and 2024 despite the DA vote share remaining stable.

Province	Municipality	Ward	Party	Ward Vote Share (%)
Eastern Cape	Makana	10	ANC	67.3
			Makana Citizens Front	23.1***
	Kouga	2	DA	47.9
			ANC	43.2
	Kou-Kamma	2	ANC	33.8 (48.6)
			PA	32.3 (2.9)
			DA	25.9 (25.6)
Gauteng	Johannesburg	90	DA	70.2
			ASA	12.0
			ANC	11.4
	Merafong City	10	ANC	75.5
KZN	Mandeni	17	MK	72.6 (--)
			ANC	13.4 (65.2)
Northern Cape	Hantam	7	ANC	49.0 (20.3)
			DA	31.1 (34.5)
	Siyancuma	5	ANC	42.3 (55.9)
			DA	20.9 (21.5)

 

[TheChamp]

Not sure how the ANC more than doubled their vote share in the Hantam ward between 2021 and 2024 despite the DA vote share remaining stable.

It's because the ANC has always suffered from their voters staying away more than them voting for the opposition, in instances where they manage to convince them to ho out and vote, the opposition will keep their vote and the ANC double theirs like it happened here.

 

[ForceFate]

Thanks for supporting my point.

Every city owns a fleet of water tankers, often used for emergency water supply, road and parks maintenance, etc.

 

[TheChamp]

Every city owns a fleet of water tankers, often used for emergency water supply, road and parks maintenance, etc.

That's how it should be, outsourcing on that should have never been a thing in the first place.

 

[ISP cash cow]

I mean even the DA run city of Cape Town is buying water tankers, does that mean they are not fixing the actual problem?

Service delivery the people can touch and feel

 

[wingnut771]

Every city owns a fleet of water tankers, often used for emergency water supply, road and parks maintenance, etc.

Where is CoJ's fleet before these triple sized tankers?

 

[Sideshow Bob]

It's because the ANC has always suffered from their voters staying away more than them voting for the opposition, in instances where they manage to convince them to ho out and vote, the opposition will keep their vote and the ANC double theirs like it happened here.

I think he is hinting at manipulation of voter count by EC.

 

[TheChamp]

I think he is hinting at manipulation of voter count by EC.

Talking about manipulation, I heard that Gayton has successfully manipulated a couple of councillors leading to some of these by elections.

 

[Unhappy1]

Every city owns a fleet of water tankers, often used for emergency water supply, road and parks maintenance, etc.

So then why the need to boast about it?

 

[TheChamp]

So then why the need to boast about it?

The boasting is always perceived, if I tell you I own R5 million Supercar, it's up to you to decide if I am boasting or just informing you for whatever reason in whatever context of the conversation we were having.

So the cities use ratepayers money, and some people might say they deserve to know how their money is used, the city informing the residents could also be seen as transparency, but someone like you could see it as boasting, which is not the city's fault that you choose to see it that way.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

I think he is hinting at manipulation of voter count by EC.

Nope. Just in an election where the ANC went backwards in every province, it's unexpected to see a large increase in the ANC vote share, even if it's just a small ward in a small municipality (the ANC won the ward in 2024 provincial ballot by 798 votes to 506 votes for the DA)

 

[TheChamp]

Nope. Just in an election where the ANC went backwards in every province, it's unexpected to see a large increase in the ANC vote share, even if it's just a small ward in a small municipality.

But why? Didn't the DA start winning by elections when the new leadership of Steenhuisen and Zille took over from Maimane?

 

[Unhappy1]

The boasting is always perceived, if I tell you I own R5 million Supercar, it's up to you to decide if I am boasting or just informing you for whatever reason in whatever context of the conversation we were having.

So the cities use ratepayers money, and some people might say they deserve to know how their money is used, the city informing the residents could also be seen as transparency, but someone like you could see it as boasting, which is not the city's fault that you choose to see it that way.

No you posting it here like its somehow important is boasting. Wow the city bought some water tankers with our tax money.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

But why? Didn't the DA start winning by elections when the new leadership of Steenhuisen and Zille took over from Maimane?

Yes, although for some reason the Northern Cape DA is quite weak/didn't turn out the voters (or lost too many to the PA). Btw, the result I gave above is for the provincial ballot in 2024 for the ward, not an actual by-election per se.

 

[ForceFate]

So then why the need to boast about it?

Politics. Business. PR I suppose.

 

[TheChamp]

Yes, although for some reason the Northern Cape DA is quite weak/didn't turn out the voters (or lost too many to the PA). Btw, the result I gave above is for the provincial ballot in 2024 for the ward, not an actual by-election per se.

The leadership of the ANC has been putting in some hard work in the organizational mattersin the province, not only have they bern doubling their votes in some wards, but they have also been taking wards from the DA.

As far as the DA is concerned, it looks like they have given up on the Northern Cape, probably frustrated by the small numbers of votes there, maybe they have decided to rather focus their efforts and resources on the big provinces.

 

[TheChamp]

No you posting it here like its somehow important is boasting. Wow the city bought some water tankers with our tax money.

But it is important though, it's also not my problem that you deem it unimportant.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

The leadership of the ANC has been putting in some hard work in the organizational mattersin the province, not only have they bern doubling their votes in some wards, but they have also been taking wards from the DA.

As far as the DA is concerned, it looks like they have given up on the Northern Cape, probably frustrated by the small numbers of votes there, maybe they have decided to rather focus their efforts and resources on the big provinces.

True, there is much better return on investment elsewhere likely. So much land to cover in the NC but so few people! Having said that, the NC DA X account has been quite active so they are putting in a fair amount of effort.

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