SA Politics Thread Part 12

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Stinkbeaver said:
I hate to be the one to remind you of this, but while everyone celebrates the “ANC implosion,” we’re also celebrating the collateral damage to the economy, some of which may be irreversible. Yes, the ANC needs to go, but we don’t need outside forces amplifying our problems. As we cheer them on, we forget that our own way of life is what’s at stake.
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I think you are wrong.

The longer the ANC is in charge the more fcked the country / economy etc is going. We had decline for 30 years... and zero chance of them turning the ship.

The longer they stay in power the bigger the damage.
 
Mista_Mobsta said:
My question is how TF a nurse has access to or influence on purchase orders/finance material/payments and acquisitions? I mean, great job in catching the criminals but what influence does a nurse have with corrupt and inflated purchases?
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I was wondering the exact same thing. A nurse being able to do that much damage? Or everyone is in on it.. he was just the unlucky one to be thrown under the bus.
 
TelkomUseless said:
I think you are wrong.

The longer the ANC is in charge the more fcked the country / economy etc is going. We had decline for 30 years... and zero chance of them turning the ship.

The longer they stay in power the bigger the damage.
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Well, I certainly did say that the ANC should not remain in power any longer, and I’m not arguing against the need for an accelerated removal of the ANC. What I am saying is that whenever other "entities" interfere, and whatever their motives may be, we should not celebrate it as if it’s harmless. It does cause damage, and in an already ailing economy, that damage can be severe.
 
TheChamp said:
Now this is what we want to see, not parties putting narrow political agendas before their country, we should be united against false claims of white genocide and whatever Trump comes up with.

Well done to the DA and the EFF, looking forward to the other parties explicitly condemning Trump's false claims.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1994009364403802193
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Don't see anything from the DA there?
 
Stinkbeaver said:
Well, I certainly did say that the ANC should not remain in power any longer, and I’m not arguing against the need for an accelerated removal of the ANC. What I am saying is that whenever other "entities" interfere, and whatever their motives may be, we should not celebrate it as if it’s harmless. It does cause damage, and in an already ailing economy, that damage can be severe.
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What are you saying here? Speak clearly.
 
Stinkbeaver said:
Well, I certainly did say that the ANC should not remain in power any longer, and I’m not arguing against the need for an accelerated removal of the ANC. What I am saying is that whenever other "entities" interfere, and whatever their motives may be, we should not celebrate it as if it’s harmless. It does cause damage, and in an already ailing economy, that damage can be severe.
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are you referring to T-bone? Squirrel had a choice to listen and make a plan to compromise with T-bone. But nah.. "we won't be bullied" and every anc supporter clapped on social media.

And now that action had consequences whoops. And that why people said "told you so". No interference .. just consequences of actions.
 
Stinkbeaver said:
I hate to be the one to remind you of this, but while everyone celebrates the “ANC implosion,” we’re also celebrating the collateral damage to the economy, some of which may be irreversible. Yes, the ANC needs to go, but we don’t need outside forces amplifying our problems. As we cheer them on, we forget that our own way of life is what’s at stake.
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How does everyone (including ironically the ANC) forget that outside forces are what lead to change under the old administration? Your point about irreversible damage is laughable given that the anc has already destroyed the lives and future of a whole generation ( go check the youth unemployment rate).
 
Ykv said:
How does everyone (including ironically the ANC) forget that outside forces are what lead to change under the old administration? Your point about irreversible damage is laughable given that the anc has already destroyed the lives and future of a whole generation ( go check the youth unemployment rate).
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That was an oppresive administration, which excluded the majority of the country from having a say.

We live in a democratic country now. Some of us may not like the ANC, but it's what the people voted for. And they are slowly being voted out of power. It may not be happening at the pace most of us want, but that doesn't give another country the right to come and impose their will on our democratic process.

Trompie can sanction specific individuals because he doesn't like what they say and do, but it's unacceptable to sanction the whole country. This is a point that even Afriforum stands by. This regime and the previous one are nothing alike...
 
Stinkbeaver said:
Well, I certainly did say that the ANC should not remain in power any longer, and I’m not arguing against the need for an accelerated removal of the ANC. What I am saying is that whenever other "entities" interfere, and whatever their motives may be, we should not celebrate it as if it’s harmless. It does cause damage, and in an already ailing economy, that damage can be severe.
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I have always said the best possible thing for SA is for the ANC to just stop being so destructive and corrupt. They have elements of good, and then elements of bad, like every political party, but given our unique history, coupled with demographics and it's voter base, they should be better than what they are. They actually started out so well, but then went downhill at a much faster rate of knots. They seem to not know what they are anymore either. Are they extremists, like the EFF? Not quite. Are they very progressive with all people of SA's interests at the fore? Also not quite.

Now we sit with a big boiling pot of confused, angry, frustrated and lost South Africans on all sides of all the fences. The ANC can't seem to rid themselves of their own poison, no matter what scapegoats they use, and the collateral damage as you rightly point out, is the poison trickling down onto all of us.

I don't know what the way forward is anymore. But who does?
 
Stinkbeaver said:
Well, I certainly did say that the ANC should not remain in power any longer, and I’m not arguing against the need for an accelerated removal of the ANC. What I am saying is that whenever other "entities" interfere, and whatever their motives may be, we should not celebrate it as if it’s harmless. It does cause damage, and in an already ailing economy, that damage can be severe.
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This is your real problem:
 
Vrotappel said:
Business euthanasia bill also coming for south africa. Destruction on steroids.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1993905055762723017
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Whats freaks me out is how this crowd always fails upward. They' can't even manage there own party, are near bankrupt. Yet they want to impose ever stricter micro-control over ever part of business and daily life, that in which they fail at. We're reading here and rejoicing the Tembia hospital arrests, but rightly asking how such a situation could transpire. Let's not forget Babita Deokaran they tried sweeping under the carpet. Then they still want to nationalise health? Let's look at the rather unspectacular career of Stella Thembisa Ndabeni, now she wants to dictate how each business will operate. Look at the CIPC mess, these business inspectors would get wonderfully lost looking for non-existent addresses. Maybe she should volunteer to fix that first.

These cadres are just like dogs, each new one wanting to change things to mark territory, just like a dog lifting it leg.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That was an oppresive administration, which excluded the majority of the country from having a say.

We live in a democratic country now. Some of us may not like the ANC, but it's what the people voted for. And they are slowly being voted out of power. It may not be happening at the pace most of us want, but that doesn't give another country the right to come and impose their will on our democratic process.

Trompie can sanction specific individuals because he doesn't like what they say and do, but it's unacceptable to sanction the whole country. This is a point that even Afriforum stands by. This regime and the previous one are nothing alike...
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Now we have a kleptocracy trying to exclude minorities while ****ing their own electorate, but somehow because they were voted for that makes it okay.

Who is imposing their will on our democratic process? None of the US demands are for a change in leadership. Delusional to think that we can just do whatever we want and expect preferential treatment from them or access to their markets.

You are 100% right about this regime not being the same as the previous one, the previous one was nowhere near retarded enough to antagonize the strongest superpower the world has ever seen. And I do not know why everyone thinks if trump goes away the anc's usa problem will go with him. The anc made their bed by aligning with states opposed to the us and they will reap the consequences, no matter if a democrat or republican is in charge.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That was an oppresive administration, which excluded the majority of the country from having a say.

We live in a democratic country now. Some of us may not like the ANC, but it's what the people voted for. And they are slowly being voted out of power. It may not be happening at the pace most of us want, but that doesn't give another country the right to come and impose their will on our democratic process.

Trompie can sanction specific individuals because he doesn't like what they say and do, but it's unacceptable to sanction the whole country. This is a point that even Afriforum stands by. This regime and the previous one are nothing alike...
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What will have they imposed?
 
cr@zydude said:
The G7 did not have the 7 largest economies in 1975.

You would be right to say that it had the largest 7 US-allied economies, but it did not have the 7 largest economies.
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  • United States
    : $1,688.90 billion
  • Soviet Union
    : $686.00 billion
  • Japan
    : $512.86 billion
  • West Germany
    : $474.79 billion
  • France
    : $355.61 billion
  • United Kingdom
    : $236.41 billion
  • Italy
    : $219.39 billion
  • Canada
    : $173.49 billion
  • China
    : $160.75 billion
  • Brazil
    : $115.88 billion
True. But China and USSR were in the Communist Bloc and were enemies at that time. There was a Cold War going on and the G7 involved the free capitalist economies. Secondly these Soviet and PRC economies were captive and controlled, data for them was centralised, unreliable and difficult to understand when converting between a free market open economy and something which was controlled at every level. The Soviets didn't really know their own data properly and they fudged also what they knew. It was all state secrets. The Ruble US D exchange rate for example officially according to the Soviets was quite good for the Ruble but the real value was significantly lower. It was a controlled and not really tradable currency.

South Africa with the fall of apartheid would be a free and open economy with known metrics and not a system where the state controls all means of production as was the case in Communist China of 1975 or the USSR of the time and with all the above problems. G7 was also a club for capitalists and not Marxist countries where the state owns all and owns the people.

Even so it would be crazy to include say Portugal in the G7 or maybe Belgium. They would not qualify because of their relative insignificance.

Funnily enough the absolute size of the Soviet economy was actually overstated as was discovered in hindsight analysis.


As a result, the CIA has probably overstated the relative size of the
Soviet economy, although the overstatement could be offset by errors in
the ruble estimate. The problems with the CIA’S comparisons suggest
that using a single number to depict the relative size of Soviet GNP lends
the estimate an unjustified air of precision. The CIA’S estimate (most
recently, 51 percent) also represents the average of two individual ruble
and dollar value comparisons (39 and 66 percent, respectively) that are
separated by a large gap-further illustrating the difficulty in com-
paring nations with very different economic structures.
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How do I know? I know because I came from a Soviet Bloc economy. Our official USD to local currency course was very favourable and we would all be rich by that metric, but nobody could buy dollars at that rate. The Wesst certainly didn't sell dollars at that rate. If you wanted to buy dollars, you had to do it on the black market where a senior engineer's salary was maybe $50 per month.

When it comes to the economy the Soviets had a joke. A guy worked at a baby pram factory. His wife gave birth to their first kid so he thought, I'll steal a part here and there and assemble a pram at home. Well he stole a part here and there but no matter how he put them together he always got an AK-47. Which illustrates that Soviet factories were often geared for war and were often pretend in their outputs or they ran two lines and could switch at any time from say sawing machines to subcomponents of machine guns or tractor factories doubled up as tank factories.
 
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Stinkbeaver said:
I hate to be the one to remind you of this, but while everyone celebrates the “ANC implosion,” we’re also celebrating the collateral damage to the economy, some of which may be irreversible. Yes, the ANC needs to go, but we don’t need outside forces amplifying our problems. As we cheer them on, we forget that our own way of life is what’s at stake.
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Deja vu.

You could have written this in the 1980's when the present government was causing collateral damage to the economy and the populace was celebrating the NAT implosion.
 
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