SA Politics Thread Part 12

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TheChamp said:
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This is really sad. The true cost of crime in this country. But he worst part is that I don't know whether these were "good cops" or "bad cops". That is the saddest part of this. My nature is to give them the benefit of the doubt however. May they rest in peace and may our government look after those young families!!
 
Solarion said:
There is genocide happening in South Africa. Genocide can occur without all stages progressing in the same order or without reaching the final stage (denial). Genocide does not have to reach the final stage in order to be considered genocide.
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The problem is that most people think genocide is an event. It is not,

Genocide is a process that can take decades, and the stages can go back and forth. The persistent persecution of an identifiable group is what defines genocide. It need not reach stage 9, but if it does, stage 10 will occur.

“In his brutal honesty, Ramaphosa told me of the ANC’s 25 year strategy to deal with the whites: it would be like boiling a frog alive, which is done by raising the temperature very slowly. Being cold blooded, the frog does not notice the slow temperature increase, but if the temperature is raised suddenly, the frog will jump out of the water. He meant that the black majority would pass laws transferring wealth, land, and economic power from white to black slowly and incrementally, until the whites lost all they had gained in South Africa, but without taking too much from them at any given time to cause them to rebel or fight.”

southafricatoday.net

Ramaphosa must explain, 'white people, frog in boiling water' - South Africa Today

The civil rights organisation AfriForum wrote an open letter in September 2017, to the then Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa,, in which the organisation asked
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This programme of persecution of an identifiable group of people by Ramaphosa has been in progress for at least 8 years now.
 
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ghaye said:
I wonder whether those on this forum that have made exactly those claims will be man enough to also apologise.

/NOT holding my breath.
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Far too many cluster B personalities on this forum for that. Cluster B personalities find it extremely difficult to accept that they are wrong and admit it. Never mind apologising. They will double down and die on the hill rather than admit being wrong.

Cluster B personality disorders include four main types: antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic. These disorders are characterised by dramatic, emotional, or erratic behaviors and difficulties in emotional regulation and interpersonal relationships.

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ghaye said:
This is really sad. The true cost of crime in this country. But he worst part is that I don't know whether these were "good cops" or "bad cops". That is the saddest part of this. My nature is to give them the benefit of the doubt however. May they rest in peace and may our government look after those young families!!
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You should have left out the good/bad thing.
 
Mariner said:
Far too many cluster B personalities on this forum for that. Cluster B personalities find it extremely difficult to accept that they are wrong and admit it. Never mind apologising. They will double down and die on the hill rather than admit being wrong.

Cluster B personality disorders include four main types: antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic. These disorders are characterised by dramatic, emotional, or erratic behaviors and difficulties in emotional regulation and interpersonal relationships.

mentalhealth.com Wikipedia
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I suspect a good few of them don't have the mental capacity to work out that they may be wrong.
 
Mariner said:
The problem is that most people think genocide is an event. It is not,

Genocide is a process that can take decades, and the stages can go back and forth. The persistent persecution of an identifiable group is what defines genocide. It need not reach stage 9, but if it does, stage 10 will occur.

“In his brutal honesty, Ramaphosa told me of the ANC’s 25 year strategy to deal with the whites: it would be like boiling a frog alive, which is done by raising the temperature very slowly. Being cold blooded, the frog does not notice the slow temperature increase, but if the temperature is raised suddenly, the frog will jump out of the water. He meant that the black majority would pass laws transferring wealth, land, and economic power from white to black slowly and incrementally, until the whites lost all they had gained in South Africa, but without taking too much from them at any given time to cause them to rebel or fight.”

southafricatoday.net

Ramaphosa must explain, 'white people, frog in boiling water' - South Africa Today

The civil rights organisation AfriForum wrote an open letter in September 2017, to the then Deputy President Cyril Ramaphosa,, in which the organisation asked
southafricatoday.net southafricatoday.net

This programme of persecution of an identifiable group of people by Ramaphosa has been in progress for at least 8 years now.
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I'm curious to know what in your opinion would have been a better plan post 94 to address the imbalances created by the past?

In other words,are you completely against the concept of bbbee or just how it was implemented,or even that it hasn't ended 30 years on.

In my opinion, a definite time frame or expiry date should have been set for the end of race based policies. It's not a long term sustainable policy.
 
Alexander the Straight said:
I'm curious to know what in your opinion would have been a better plan post 94 to address the imbalances created by the past?

In other words,are you completely against the concept of bbbee or just how it was implemented,or even that it hasn't ended 30 years on.

In my opinion, a definite time frame or expiry date should have been set for the end of race based policies. It's not a long term sustainable policy.
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Maybe a different question - with how it failed so spectacularly for whatever reason, and given how people are worse off now than in 1994, how would you address the poverty problem now?

If you can answer this question then you'll have an answer to yours...
 
Oh look, what a surprise. Another ANC success story

South Africa is the second most criminal country on the continent

Given the prevalence of mafia-style groups, criminal networks, and the state-embedded actors that enable this in South Africa, it has been given the second-highest criminality score in Africa.

This is according to the 2025 Enact Africa Organised Crime Index, which explores the dynamics of criminality and resilience on the continent and is compiled by the Institute for Security Studies, Interpol, and the Global Initiative Against Transnational Organised Crime.

The report assigned South Africa a criminality score of 7.43, a 0.25-point increase from 2024.

Only the Democratic Republic of Congo received a higher score at 7.47.

These scores are based on the pervasiveness of criminal markets and the influence that criminal actors hold in the country.

The report highlights five types of criminal actors, which are seen as the most dominant drivers of criminality in Africa.

South Africa received a score of eight for mafia-style groups, or organised criminal gangs such as construction mafias, criminal networks, and state-embedded actors.

The report says that the rapid industrial development and urbanisation that followed World War II in South Africa saw a rise in criminality in major cities, leading to the proliferation of street gangs.

“These gangs were involved in armed robbery, protection rackets, hijackings, and the smuggling of cannabis and other contraband,” the report says.

By the late 20th century, organised criminal gangs formed and began forming ties with foreign criminal networks left unchecked by the apartheid government.

“Today, organised criminal gangs wield severe influence in South Africa’s organised crime landscape and have a negative impact on social and state structures.”

The other two types of actors that are seen to influence criminality include foreign actors and private sector actors. South Africa received scores of 7.5 and 7, respectively.

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Criminal markets​

South Africa received a 7.17 rating for its criminal markets, ranking it the third-worst on the continent behind Kenya (7.27) and Nigeria (7.33).

The country’s most prevalent criminal markets are the synthetic drug trade (1st in Africa) and extortion and protection racketeering (3rd).

According to the report, the synthetic drug market has come to dominate the South African drug landscape, especially that of methamphetamine, referred to as ‘tik’.

The local production of this drug is concentrated in the Western Cape, using smuggled precursors such as ephedrine and pseudoephedrine.

However, this is often supplemented by “high-purity meth” smuggled into the country from Southeast Asia and West Africa.

“The involvement of transnational actors, including those from West Africa and Australia, underscores the globalised nature of a market in which South Africa is a central player,” the report argues.

It has also been found that drug cartels from countries such as Mexico have sent foreign nationals to operate meth labs in South Africa.

In July 2025, the South African Police Service arrested two Mexican nationals and two South Africans following a raid on a drug manufacturing facility in Groblersdal in Limpopo.

They found roughly one tonne of crystal meth with a street value of R2 billion, as well as chemicals such as acetone.

Extortion and protection racketeering have been identified as one of the fastest-growing forms of organised crime in South Africa, expanding to rural regions.

It affects a wide range of sectors, including construction, mining, transport, retail, and public services such as water and waste management.

“It has also become more entrenched and violent, often involving heavily armed groups and ties to other crimes such as drug trafficking, kidnappings, cybercrime, and assassinations,” the report said.

“These groups operate in mafia-like structures and have diversified income sources, forming sub-gangs and building connections with public officials and private sector individuals.”

Construction mafias have become notorious in the country for extorting construction companies, threatening to damage their sites or inflict harm if they are not paid a percentage of the contract value.

Other common forms of this type of extortion include water tanker mafias that sabotage water infrastructure to secure lucrative contracts for supplying communities with water using tankers.
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ghaye said:
I suspect a good few of them don't have the mental capacity to work out that they may be wrong.
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That is characteristic of Cluster B personalities, the inability to recognise that they may be wrong and insisting they are right despite overwhelming evidence they are wrong. Doubling down using bullying tactics, such as attempts at humiliation or ridicule, is a Cluster B indicator. It's evident on this forum.
 
Alexander the Straight said:
I'm curious to know what in your opinion would have been a better plan post 94 to address the imbalances created by the past?

In other words,are you completely against the concept of bbbee or just how it was implemented,or even that it hasn't ended 30 years on.

In my opinion, a definite time frame or expiry date should have been set for the end of race based policies. It's not a long term sustainable policy.
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There was no need for race based policies.
That was just a knee jerk revenge reaction. Rebalancing could be done without it.
 
Mariner said:
That is characteristic of Cluster B personalities, the inability to recognise that they may be wrong and insisting they are right despite overwhelming evidence they are wrong. Doubling down using bullying tactics, such as attempts at humiliation or ridicule, is a Cluster B indicator. It's evident on this forum.
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According to Poe's Law, Cluster B personalities are the most intelligent.
 
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