SA Politics Thread Part 12

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TheChamp said:
Do you often wonder aloud on the forum when a farmer is killed if he/she was a good or bad farmer? Or is it just for police officers?
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Given that farmers are not generally held in bad light where polyticians and police appear to be working with active criminal elements answers your question.
Also you trying to deflect says a lot
 
R13... said:
Reality of victim blaming?
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You are going to have to explain to me how you made that leap. Possibly with some additional info I can follow your reasoning here.

TheChamp said:
Do you often wonder aloud on the forum when a farmer is killed if he/she was a good or bad farmer? Or is it just for police officers?
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There is a difference when a person in a position of authority is a "bad" person vs a general member of the public. But you are probably the last one here to even go down this road. Just this morning you posted about cops killing people without any evidence of them being evildoers. Just the cops word for it. You are really showing all your colours this morning. We can add hypocrite to the list now.
 
TheChamp said:
According to Poe's Law, Cluster B personalities are the most intelligent.
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And you are full of ****

("Poe's law" has no direct connection to Cluster B personality disorders. Poe's law is an internet adage regarding online communication, while Cluster B disorders are a category of mental health conditions. )
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Maybe a different question - with how it failed so spectacularly for whatever reason, and given how people are worse off now than in 1994, how would you address the poverty problem now?

If you can answer this question then you'll have an answer to yours...
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Its a matter of perspective.
There are heaps of black people who are way better off now than they or their parents were before 94 !
 
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I M D said:
Given that farmers are not generally held in bad light where polyticians and police appear to be working with active criminal elements answers your question.
Also you trying to deflect says a lot
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But farmers are generally held in bad light, just like the police, some of them do very bad things like running people over with their Hiluxes or feeding them to pigs.
 
TheChamp said:
But farmers are generally held in bad light, just like the police, some of them do very bad things like running people over with their Hiluxes or feeding them to pigs.
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But they are not in positions of power...
Police and politicians are.
Farmers where they have been involved in criminal acts are processed by the criminal system. You bum chums arent
 
ghaye said:
You are going to have to explain to me how you made that leap. Possibly with some additional info I can follow your reasoning here.


There is a difference when a person in a position of authority is a "bad" person vs a general member of the public. But you are probably the last one here to even go down this road. Just this morning you posted about cops killing people without any evidence of them being evildoers. Just the cops word for it. You are really showing all your colours this morning. We can add hypocrite to the list now.
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Would you at least agree that unless a person is a known lowlife, it is generally in bad taste to cast such aspersions?
 
THE City’s controversial fixed water, fixed sanitation and city-wide cleaning tariffs will come under judicial scrutiny when the matter comes before the Western Cape High Court on Tuesday.

The South African Property Owners Association (Sapoa) wants these tariffs or the City’s entire 2025/2026 budget, declared unconstitutional. A number of organisations including government departments have filed papers in support of Sapoa’s court bid.
A number of organisations including government departments have filed papers in support of Sapoa’s court bid. They include the National Department of Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs (Cogta), #SA1stForum, GOOD and the Cape Town Collective Residents Association, among others.

Sapoa’s main argument is that the fixed charges contravene the applicable constitutional and national legislative frameworks.
“The fixed charges are not service charges, but they are in fact disguised property rates. The question to be answered is whether it is legally permissible to levy tariffs against property owners for cleaning services based on the value-of their properties, regardless of whether the property owner actually receives such services at the property, or in the area of his or her property.

“Traditionally, due to the fact that sanitation’ sewerage output from a specific property cannot be measured, sanitation’ sewerage charges were calculated as a percentage of the relevant property's water consumption charges. This method of calculation meant that there was some correlation between a property's water use and its sewerage use. There is however, no rational connection between the cost of delivering sanitation services to residents and property value,” the association argues.
capetimes.co.za

Cape Town's fixed tariffs now in court's hands

The South African Property Owners Association (Sapoa) challenges the City’s fixed water and sanitation tariffs in the Western Cape High Court, arguing they are unconstitutional and disguised property rates.
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Alexander the Straight said:
Its a matter of perspective.
There are heaps of black people who are way better of now than they or their parents were before 94 !
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It's natural that would happen with population growth. But there's a lot more who are worse off. The employment rate speaks directly to this.

If it was necessary initially, there should have been a sunset clause. Because it's not needed now, and at some point it started doing more harm than good...
 
TheChamp said:
Would you at least agree that unless a person is a known lowlife, it is generally in bad taste to cast such aspersions?
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You must have missed the bit where I said I will always give them the benefit of the doubt. You on the other hand don't. You're a hypocrite.
 
ghaye said:
You must have missed the bit where I said I will always give them the benefit of the doubt. You on the other hand don't. You're a hypocrite.
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So you still think it's worth mentioning, like if I casually mentioned that I wonder if a killed farmer was a good or bad farmer, then proceed to give them the benefit of doubt?

As @R13 said, it was totally unnecessary, regardless that you ended up giving them the benefit of doubt.
 
Alexander the Straight said:
I'm curious to know what in your opinion would have been a better plan post 94 to address the imbalances created by the past?
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There was no such plan. That plan emerged during the Mbeki administration. It was never part of the agreements at CODESA, which put all people of SA on an equal non racial footing. The 1996 Constitution also reneged on the CODESA agreements for a non racial South Africa.

Are you aware that the unintended consequences of attempts to disenfranchise 8% of the population have made 92% poorer and enriched the 8%?

 
@TheChamp Tell us about "We will not be bullied"? 145 businesses were liquidated in September alone:

New data has revealed a sharp and concerning acceleration in the number of South African businesses being forced to close their doors, with economists warning the official figures may only be part of a broader picture of corporate distress.

Statistics South Africa reported that 145 businesses were liquidated in September alone, bringing the total number of formal business closures for the first nine months of the year to 1,180. This represents a significant 23.9% increase compared to the same period last year. The key drivers cited are a toxic combination of unpaid debt, fragile cash flows, and relentlessly rising operational costs

southafricatoday.net

Business Closures Surge as Economic Strain Intensifies, Experts Warn of 'Hidden' Distress - South Africa Today

New data has revealed a sharp and concerning acceleration in the number of South African businesses being forced to close their doors, with economists warning
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