SA Politics Thread Part 12

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I know Mkhwanazi has his fans on the forum but let me just say this. The man is playing political games. The kind of games in which Joe Soap is always the loser. I have to wonder what his motive is and who is actually behind all this :unsure:
He comes across as something naive. He seems to genuinely believe that police should be able to what they want without oversight even if you disregard ANC corruption and criminality. He'd be authoritarian if he were a leader. He made a comment like, "magistrate made their own decision, not what the prosecutor told them to do...". That's ignorance at best.
 
That's 3:20

Wtf is he on about in any event? What CI members were paraded like criminals?
Must I do everything for you guys?

When you go back to old news, and start reading things in retrospect, it starts making more sense...

Police Minister Senzo Mchunu has sent crime intelligence boss Dumisani Khumalo packing over the latter's decision not to disband the political killings task team.

Mchunu ordered Khumalo to disband the unit in December last year, following several complaints - including that some members of the unit had gone rogue and were themselves involved in some of the crimes they were supposed to investigate and solve.

The unit was set up by Mchunu's predecessor Bheki Cele in 2019, after a directive was issued to the national commissioner of police following the Moerane Commission report into political killings.

Mchunu's letter to the national commissioner dated 31 December 2024 reads in part:

My observation in this regard as indicated above is that further existence of this team is no longer required nor is it adding any value to policing in South Africa. I, therefore, direct that the Political Killings Task Team be disestablished immediately.

Mchunu had given police commissioner Fannie Masemola until 20 January to provide a final and closing report that was to be submitted to the ministry.

City Press has learnt that Khumalo, who previously headed the unit tasked with stopping, investigating, and resolving unresolved murders of politicians in the country, especially in KwaZulu-Natal, defied the directive.

According to three sources within the security cluster, the minister met with Khumalo and other senior members on Friday in Cape Town, during which Khumalo presented a reduced number of officers in the unit to conclude some of the outstanding cases.

The source added:

The minister told Khumalo to bring the disbandment report not the restructured unit with few members remaining in the unit. The minister felt undermined that months after he ordered the unit to be closed, Khumalo was seemingly defying him.

According to another source, the relationship between Khumalo and the minister has been a rocky one, with the minister having asked Masemola to suspend the crime intelligence head pending an investigation into several allegations of wrongdoing.

Another source added: "The minister is of the view that both Masemola and Khumalo were undermining him because they were appointed by his predecessor Bheki Cele. The minister has also complained about not receiving detailed reports on some of the developments, including the purchase of a hotel which houses members of crime intelligence, the political killings task team as well as Gauteng Counter intelligence."

The minister's directive comes as the Inspector-General of Intelligence Imtiaz Fazel probes the R22.7 million purchase of a boutique hotel. This establishment in Pretoria North was bought using the secret services account funds.

City Press learnt on Friday that Fazel demanded answers as to why Khumalo, the unit's chief financial officer Philani Lushaba, head of intelligence and analysis Nozipho Madondo and Gauteng crime intelligence head Josias Lekalakala did not cooperate with the investigation.

One source said: "The OIGI (Office of the Inspector-General of Intelligence) was not happy that its oversight has been obstructed by the officers under the pretext that the procurement was top secret."

Police spokesperson Athlenda Mathe said the police service will not be drawn into commenting on allegations.
 
I know Mkhwanazi has his fans on the forum but let me just say this. The man is playing political games. The kind of games in which Joe Soap is always the loser. I have to wonder what his motive is and who is actually behind all this :unsure:
I said a while back that he has an agenda.
 
He comes across as something naive. He seems to genuinely believe that police should be able to what they want without oversight even if you disregard ANC corruption and criminality. He'd be authoritarian if he were a leader. He made a comment like, "magistrate made their own decision, not what the prosecutor told them to do...". That's ignorance at best.

I wouldn't say naive. There is an agenda he is working for. One that doesn't involve doing all of this for the good of the people

Ah well all will be revealed in due course so let's wait and see what arises out of this latest circus
 
DA members amongst others, and Kohler Barnard in particular.

Among others yes. It explains the hard-on he has for Kohler Barnard and Mchunu, from two different parties.

Like I said in the other thread, he doesn't appear to be the good guy that everyone thought he was. He has his own agenda. The question is who does that agenda align with - maybe we should start looking at seems to be defending him without any evidence.

Isn't it suspicious that MK, literally a party of state capturers, suddenly found their moral compass in defending Mkhwanazi from the start?
 
I wouldn't say naive. There is an agenda he is working for. One that doesn't involve doing all of this for the good of the people

Ah well all will be revealed in due course so let's wait and see what arises out of this latest circus
A lot of people are taken in and failing to pause and look beyond the theatre
 
Among others yes. It explains the hard-on he has for Kohler Barnard and Mchunu, from two different parties.

Like I said in the other thread, he doesn't appear to be the good guy that everyone thought he was. He has his own agenda. The question is who does that agenda align with - maybe we should start looking at seems to be defending him without any evidence.

Isn't it suspicious that MK, literally a party of state capturers, suddenly found their moral compass in defending Mkhwanazi from the start?

Nah it's not MK. They simply aren't bright enough. There is someone else in the shadows

Feck it at this rate I am going to need to grab my tinfoil hat :oops:
 
Among others yes. It explains the hard-on he has for Kohler Barnard and Mchunu, from two different parties.

Like I said in the other thread, he doesn't appear to be the good guy that everyone thought he was. He has his own agenda. The question is who does that agenda align with - maybe we should start looking at seems to be defending him without any evidence.

Isn't it suspicious that MK, literally a party of state capturers, suddenly found their moral compass in defending Mkhwanazi from the start?
The MK flows with the wind, as long as the wind flows in Zuma's preferred direction, they always anticipate Zuma to be implicated in things, that's why they oppose everything in advance as a precautionary measure, they opposed Madlanga because they though their leader was going to be implicated, the reason they like Mkhwanazi is because Zuma has not been implicated so far, with Mthethwa being implicated, that love might soon come to an end.
 
There could also be a strong personal motive. Impress the public by showing them what a great guy you are and they will vote you for President in the blink of an eye. Many a dictator has started that way
 
Among others yes. It explains the hard-on he has for Kohler Barnard and Mchunu, from two different parties.

Like I said in the other thread, he doesn't appear to be the good guy that everyone thought he was. He has his own agenda. The question is who does that agenda align with - maybe we should start looking at seems to be defending him without any evidence.

Isn't it suspicious that MK, literally a party of state capturers, suddenly found their moral compass in defending Mkhwanazi from the start?
MKP's motives seem transparently like them hoping he implicates Ramaphosa. I mean all of his revelations burn the ANC so they've no reason to interrupt their enemy while he's making a mistake.
 
There could also be a strong personal motive. Impress the public by showing them what a great guy you are and they will vote you for President in the blink of an eye. Many a dictator has started that way
Or the simplest explanation - his term ends next year and is trying to win enough popularity to become the next national commissioner...
 
RDF Intensification proceeds at pace.

His reality is getting very frayed.

Desperation... RISING...

Studio integrity... FALLLING...

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I'm pretty sure that was brought up and they got legalized as traffic cops. The general has little understanding of the law.
It would be concerning if we had a commissioner who doesn't understand the law.

The provision for traffic police applies to municipalities, not provincial like Andrek's electioneering failure...
 
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