Sa Sucks closing down on Friday.

[BBSA]

No. I have a post-modern bias andperspective. Been trendy for a while now.

(he he)

Please go to the nearest toilet and have a nice dump. Stick your head deep in the pot and have a good sniff. You will find that you excrement also stinks.

 

[metalcore]

Every culture is guilty of this. Some are just more open about it than others. What you say is not unique to Afrikaaners at all and is prevalent amongst Blacks themselves (among races, between local blacks born in an area and newcomers from other areas [ other areas of SA ], xenophobia of local blacks to foreign blacks, among whites, between Muslim and Christian coloureds and so on. Your POV is definately against diversity. You want everyone to be like you. I don't know if the world would be a better place if everyone was like you though.



I can attest that many English people have the same problem you speak of.
You're English speaking, you have a pro-English Bias. It's very obvious.



BEST ADVICE you could give yourself.



Again, practice what you preach.

They called him therooster, Humility and Objectivity were his strong points.

Dude, lighten up. You have many a chip on your shoulder. You don't like Afrikaaners. You don't like whites. You didn't like Korea. You don't like big business. You don't like doctors. Get over yourself.

It seems work like this. "some people" can spout hate speach and cultural superiority and then as soon as people like myself or Therooster come along and complain about these archaic and pompous views then the defence shields go up.

Things like "don't bring up the R word again" come up or "you are pathetic and go away" or "you are this and you are that". Even though they want to say open how much they hate everybody they pretend they aren't rascist and that they just don't like the ANC. Why they do this I don't know, maybe they subconsciously concerned about how secure their anonymity really is. It could be bad for your CV to be a known rascist, so they hide behind subtle remarks.

The pride nerve must be the biggest nerve in their body because "certain people" then start to try and drag the person's character into the picture and look for ways to discredit them. And the whole defensive thing goes on and on until the thread either gets locked or totally derailed and then locked.

That is because "certain people" believe they and their race are superior to others and how dare anybody dare criticize them, but they must be allowed to criticize others when ever they want to and they are so stuck in their ways that they aren't open to debate.

No PeterCH I am not talking about you, but I am highlighting your post as the kind of drivel that comes up whenever dare challenge the viewpoint of "these people"

 

[Morgoth]

That is because "certain people" believe they and their race are superior to others and how dare anybody dare criticize them, but they must be allowed to criticize others when ever they want to and they are so stuck in their ways that they aren't open to debate.

let them believe what they want, according to me they have their place and I have my place, we can work together get along, but I won't accept their culture or change mine to accommodate theirs and neither do I expect them to do the same for me.

 

[metalcore]

Please go to the nearest toilet and have a nice dump. Stick your head deep in the pot and have a good sniff. You will find that you excrement also stinks.

LOL this exactly the kinds of responses I was referring to in my old post. The usual tactic of personal attacks. Soon this thread will "get out of hand" and get locked and people will be accused of being trolls....

 

[metalcore]

let them believe what they want, according to me they have their place and I have my place, we can work together get along, but I won't accept their culture or change mine to accommodate theirs and neither do I expect them to do the same for me.

Dude I referring to people like you when I say "certain people" can't you pick that up

OMG the problem is worse than I thought. "certain people" cannot even except that critisism is directed at them because their culture and ways are just far to superior.

Lets just agree to disagree. Remember everyone is entitled to believe what they want but there is only one absolute truth, things are either wrong or they are right. Good or evil.

If you had a son and he came home madly in love with someone from another culture and it was up to you to allow the relationship to continue.

What would you do. Would you deny him his feelings only to have him end up with a woman of the same culture because its the "right thing" to do, and most likely not really loving her fully and end up using prostitutes on the side? Or would you let him follow his heart and actually find happyness?

Finally the main question,if you believe in God, do you think in Gods eyes its wrong for people of different races and cultures to marry? Like would it be immoral in God's eyes if your boeremeisie blue eyed daughter came home with a Xhosa boyfriend and wanted to marry?

I ask because many people who purportrate this kind of talk are usually also very religious.

WWJD?

 

[ACloete]

Remember the same guy said something general and negative about (South) Korea not long ago.

For some people Afrikaaners are synonymous with ignorant people. Of course that's no different to when other people equate blacks with ignorance. But some people don't see their own bigotry.

Don't worry about it.

Apparantly it is for some. Calling Afrikaners "ignorant" or bad names seems to be OK, while they get outraged if someone says something negative about Black people. And let's face it, it was these "ignorant Afrikaners" that established the most technologically advanced country in Africa, which is now going down the drain.

 

[Therooster]

Apparantly it is for some. Calling Afrikaners "ignorant" or bad names seems to be OK, while they get outraged if someone says something negative about Black people. And let's face it, it was these "ignorant Afrikaners" that established the most technologically advanced country in Africa, which is now going down the drain.

That would be true. But when have I called Afrikaaners ignorant ?

You sound like an unhappy person.

By your logic it's ok for me to insult Afrikaans people because apparently you you it's ok to insult black people. So even if I was blanket insulting Afrikaans people what would be wrong with that by your thinking ? Seemingly you're defending people who call blacks ignorant, but not defending my right to call Afrikaaners ignorant ? What's going on ?

 

[BBSA]

LOL this exactly the kinds of responses I was referring to in my old post. The usual tactic of personal attacks. Soon this thread will "get out of hand" and get locked and people will be accused of being trolls....

It is not a personal attack. He is the one who come and preach to us about prejudices but it is clear from his posts that he has many more than us.

I'm merely pointing out to him the we ALL have our mistakes and that it is very hypocritical of him to come and preach to us.

BTW. Every second post of the theroosters is full of personal attacks.

 

[metalcore]

Apparantly it is for some. Calling Afrikaners "ignorant" or bad names seems to be OK, while they get outraged if someone says something negative about Black people. And let's face it, it was these "ignorant Afrikaners" that established the most technologically advanced country in Africa, which is now going down the drain.

I've said this before and it makes sense. The only reason South Africa became so advanced was out of desparation. During Apartheid we cut off from the rest if the world and we were desparate to survive.

The government didn't want things to go South for themselves or their volk so they had to learn to be self sufficient and it was easier to do when you had millions of slaves to do your bidding.

This led to development in technology and the efficiency of the system. I will say that many aspects (besides the obvious) of the Apartheid system were indeed good for the country.

We had an efficient government that had to succeed and they kept the country clean and living conditions were good, some of the black people were actually a bit better off inspite of the persecution.

The Apartheid government should have rather abolished all the oppressive laws and stayed in power and convinced the people to change their viewpoints. In other words they should have turned into a democratic government. But maybe they would also have become like the current government officials in this world where there are so many more reasons to be greedy.

 

[Therooster]

It is not a personal attack. He is the one who come and preach to us about prejudices but it is clear from his posts that he has many more than us.

I'm merely pointing out to him the we ALL have our mistakes and that it is very hypocritical of him to come and preach to us.

BTW. Every second post of the theroosters is full of personal attacks.

I'm saying that it would be wrong for me to be prejudiced against Afrikaans people as a group because of the actions of some. Just as it would be wrong to be prejudiced against blacks. Do you agree it is wrong to be prejudiced against black people because of the actions of a few ? I would like you to just admit this because it seems you're defending your right to be prejudiced but none mine. Strange logic.

BTW. Just because people often appear stupid because of my posts and wit , that's not me insulting them. That's them looking dumb.

 

[metalcore]

It is not a personal attack. He is the one who come and preach to us about prejudices but it is clear from his posts that he has many more than us.

I'm merely pointing out to him the we ALL have our mistakes and that it is very hypocritical of him to come and preach to us.

BTW. Every second post of the theroosters is full of personal attacks.

Ok I understand. Maybe he is wrong and maybe I am also wrong. Two wrongs defnitely don't make a right.

But without getting into finer details of debate, one thing is for sure and that is that everyone needs to change their views and that unfortunately for them Afrikaaners must change their rigid stance in the name of progress.

Theres an old saying " a fool and his pride are soon parted"

Pride belongs to fools. And I don't think Afrikaaners are fools, just stubborn and brainwashed. But there is so much potential.

 

[metalcore]

I'm saying that it would be wrong for me to be prejudiced against Afrikaans people as a group because of the actions of some. Just as it would be wrong to be prejudiced against blacks. Do you agree it is wrong to be prejudiced against black people because of the actions of a few ? I would like you to just admit this because it seems you're defending your right to be prejudiced but none mine. Strange logic.

BTW. Just because people often appear stupid because of my posts and wit , that's not me insulting them. That's them looking dumb.

dude thats spot on.

The hatred for blacks is something that was indoctrinated into a lot of people, and while many of them are scared to admit publically, they feel the same as guys like Brandon Huntley.

Yet ironically criminals come in all colours these days and aren't racially motivated. They are motivated by the social class of their victim.

 

[Therooster]

The Apartheid government should have rather abolished all the oppressive laws and stayed in power and convinced the people to change their viewpoints. In other words they should have turned into a democratic government. But maybe they would also have become like the current government officials in this world where there are so many more reasons to be greedy.

Yes, a slow release democracy would have been a good system. I think white South Africans were better suited to "rule" the country at the end of the 19the century as we had all the western know how. Instead of treating people with dignity though we were too busy play kosie khakibroek and being ****es to everyone to worry about things like helping the locals rather than exploiting them.

Aparheid was more dumbm badly thought through, neurotic and paranoid than evil really.

 

[Therooster]

Ok I understand. Maybe he is wrong and maybe I am also wrong. Two wrongs defnitely don't make a right.

But without getting into finer details of debate, one thing is for sure and that is that everyone needs to change their views and that unfortunately for them Afrikaaners must change their rigid stance in the name of progress.

Theres an old saying " a fool and his pride are soon parted"

Pride belongs to fools. And I don't think Afrikaaners are fools, just stubborn and brainwashed. But there is so much potential.

Brain washed is a good way of putting it. I would say older "swart gevaar" South Africans in general are brain washed. Fear does wierd things to the mind and is easily exploited by people with agendas (like Zasucks come to think of it.)

 

[BBSA]

I'm saying that it would be wrong for me to be prejudiced against Afrikaans people as a group because of the actions of some. Just as it would be wrong to be prejudiced against blacks.

I fully agree with you on that point. Unfortunately from you posts it is clear that you have an unreasonable dislike of a particular group of people or things (Afrikaners, Big Business, Doctors and who knows what else)

 

[BBSA]

Pride belongs to fools. And I don't think Afrikaaners are fools, just stubborn and brainwashed. But there is so much potential.

You do know that not all Afrikaners belong to the AWB, right?

 

[Zenbaas]

dude thats spot on.

The hatred for blacks is something that was indoctrinated into a lot of people, and while many of them are scared to admit publically, they feel the same as guys like Brandon Huntley.

Yet ironically criminals come in all colours these days and aren't racially motivated. They are motivated by the social class of their victim.

Do yourself a favour and have a look what happen when therooster loses a debate how he turns to insults....every second post it's idiot this and idiot that. It has nothing to do with his self-proclaimed whit and everything to do with direct insults and personal attacks.

 

[Therooster]

dude thats spot on.

The hatred for blacks is something that was indoctrinated into a lot of people, and while many of them are scared to admit publically, they feel the same as guys like Brandon Huntley.

Yet ironically criminals come in all colours these days and aren't racially motivated. They are motivated by the social class of their victim.

Yes , amost always. Racism against whites obviously exists in this country , but hey treat people like dirt for hundreds of years and there's going to be wounds. But clearly racism is not the motivation for 99% of our crimes butrather incidental. A racist is a racist but that's not likely to motivate them to murder anyone. Most people won't even be rude to people they are racist against never the less kill them. People , when you take the politicians and agenda and stress on the environment out the equation...well we just want to be left alone and leave alone really. It's the social stress that leads to the crime chiefly.


Racism against blacks obviously exists and hey , when most of the people commiting the voilent crimes are black. We there's also going to be a backlash from some Whites. People don't all have sophisticated understand of social dynamics etc. So sometimes we need to even tolerate a bit of racism

 

[Therooster]

Do yourself a favour and have a look what happen when therooster loses a debate how he turns to insults....every second post it's idiot this and idiot that. It has nothing to do with his self-proclaimed whit and everything to do with direct insults and personal attacks.

Serious flaw in the first premise of your arguments. I've never lost a debate.

 

[Morgoth]

Dude I referring to people like you when I say "certain people" can't you pick that up

OMG the problem is worse than I thought. "certain people" cannot even except that critisism is directed at them because their culture and ways are just far to superior.

Lets just agree to disagree. Remember everyone is entitled to believe what they want but there is only one absolute truth, things are either wrong or they are right. Good or evil.

If you had a son and he came home madly in love with someone from another culture and it was up to you to allow the relationship to continue.

What would you do. Would you deny him his feelings only to have him end up with a woman of the same culture because its the "right thing" to do, and most likely not really loving her fully and end up using prostitutes on the side? Or would you let him follow his heart and actually find happyness?

Finally the main question,if you believe in God, do you think in Gods eyes its wrong for people of different races and cultures to marry? Like would it be immoral in God's eyes if your boeremeisie blue eyed daughter came home with a Xhosa boyfriend and wanted to marry?

I ask because many people who purportrate this kind of talk are usually also very religious.

WWJD?

1) I am not very religious. Thus I can't be acused of being brainwashed against the 'swart communist gevaar'. (quite the opposite of many Afrikaners I agree)

2)I won't have a problem with them mixing, but I will make sure that he is fully aware that his Afrikaans friends, his Afrikaans society and his GF's Xhosa relatives or friends will not be so fond of it. If they can both deal with it then sure, but it is quite unfair to the child who won't fit in in either society.

one has to be realistic about this thing, in all honesty love can't be all that you depend on.