I took the liberty, extermi has not made one contribution to this thread, has no doubt read it and could not find it within him/herself to side with the government's stance. <takes off wizard cape> I tell you BobbyMac, ol extermi is becoming disillusioned, it was only a matter of time!
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I took the liberty, extermi has not made one contribution to this thread, has no doubt read it and could not find it within him/herself to side with the government's stance. <takes off wizard cape> I tell you BobbyMac, ol extermi is becoming disillusioned, it was only a matter of time!
Pitbull
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Give me the funds to support my family if I don't come back and I'll glady do it
Shake&Bake
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Just remember that you can't waste him by playing AA online
Someone should make a map of Harare and then we could go and practice LMAO
Pitbull
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Just remember that you can't waste him by playing AA online
Someone should make a map of Harare and then we could go and practice LMAO
True that... LMAO... Maybe I can try my new BOW !!!!
Shake&Bake
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True that... LMAO... Maybe I can try my new BOW !!!!
The Pitbull stalks his prey from long grass, waiting to pouce.
Silently he pulls back on his titanium tipped arrow, glaring down the shaft as he makes his final adjustments and takes a deep, controlled breath before releasing....
Schweet!Zapiro put it really well in todays toon. http://www.mg.co.za/ContentImages/2561/14-mar07x.gif
damn, I wish the cartoon would have been in colour, you would no doubt have seen a JW blue label
would have been nice to see the level of booze in the bottle, could have determined time of day!
One udder thing that cartoon is factually incorrect, Thabo is not in the country at the moment!
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Pitbull
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If we had a strong president then it would have been a very different story. T-Bone is a weak, spineless dweeb. Clocking up frequent flyer miles is the only thing he's good at.
Shake&Bake
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Check what frequen flyer miles -we've paid for his in advance - not only the miles - his damn plane as well
Pitbull
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IamCanadian
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I find it amazing the people like Extermin8tor have nothing to say on this subject about Mugarbage.
It just shows that he and his ilk are consummate hypocrites!
It makes me sick!
SHAME ON YOU!
It just shows that he and his ilk are consummate hypocrites!
It makes me sick!
SHAME ON YOU!
What does it matter whether the knob has anything to say or not? Mugabe is bastard and he's trying his best to hang on to power, no matter how old and senile he becomes - all the people that matters in the world agrees on this. Those that don't clearly condone it.
IamCanadian
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Zimbabwe Govt faces international pressure over police brutality.
The World Today - Wednesday, 14 March , 2007 12:33:00
Reporter: Barbara Miller
ELEANOR HALL: But let's go now to Harare, where the appearance in court of badly beaten members of Zimbabwe's political opposition has prompted the country's neighbours to break their usual silence on the actions of the Mugabe Government.
South Africa's Deputy Foreign Minister has urged President Robert Mugabe to respect the rights of all its citizens. The US has condemned the assaults.
And the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights has called for an immediate investigation into the police actions, which Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai described as sadistic.
Barbara Miller has our report.
BARBARA MILLER: The statement from South Africa doesn't sound like much of a revolution.
The Foreign Minister, Aziz Pahad, said his country urged the Zimbabwean Government to ensure that the rule of law, including the respect for rights of all Zimbabweans and leaders of various political parties, was respected.
But that represents a significant shift in policy. Zimbabwe's neighbours famously don't comment publicly on one another's affairs.
To bring about that change, it took the sight of around 50 supporters of the Zimbabwean opposition party, the Movement for Democratic Change, in court looking very badly beaten after being detained at a rally on Sunday.
Peta Thornycroft, a Correspondent for the British Daily Telegraph newspaper watched the MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai and his supporters arrive at the court.
PETA THORNYCROFT: One could see very clearly about an eight-centimetre wound on his head which had been stitched at some time since he was arrested on Sunday.
There were also several people who were most grievously injured, including one young man, who literally, I mean he could hardly breathe let alone walk, he had to be carried into the court.
BARBARA MILLER: Deteriorating conditions in Zimbabwe mean refugees are streaming over its borders. That's putting a strain on its neighbours, and those who have left Zimbabwe are keeping up the pressure.
Following the detention of the MDC members, a protest has been held outside the Zimbabwean consulate in Johannesburg.
PROTESTOR: No murder for us. No murder, brutality, will silence us. We are Zimbabweans, we are Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is not a private property of ZANU-PF.
BARBARA MILLER: Zambia has also broken with tradition to comment on recent events, albeit to stress that diplomatic channels are being used to express disquiet.
Zambian Information Minister Vernon Mwaanga.
VERNON MWAANGA: They know our concerns, and we've stated our positions to them in our private and bilateral discussions with the Government of Zimbabwe, and we've noted what has happened in the last few days.
And we know that it is a matter of concern, not only to us, but to members of the African Union and to members outside it.
BARBARA MILLER: There's also been condemnation of the treatment of the Opposition from the United Nations, which has called for an immediate investigation into their detainment.
The US has commented too, saying the treatment of the activists shows the repressive nature of Robert Mugabe's Government.
Tom Casey is the deputy spokesman for the US State Department.
TOM CASEY: No one should face harassment, intimidation, and as it increasingly appears, beatings and physical abuse simply for trying to get together and meet and freely express their views and freely talk about political issues.
BARBARA MILLER: So far, there's no sign the authorities in Zimbabwe will take any heed of the criticism.
In an interview with the BBC the country's Information Minister, Sikhanyiso Ndlovu, suggested fighting between Opposition supporters at the rally had led to their injuries.
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: They were there fighting the police and this other faction also, also which (inaudible) in the MDC.
REPORTER: Forgive me Minister, your suggestion is that ...
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: I said the MDC, they are slipping into riot.
REPORTER: And you're suggesting that the MDC, it was a fight between members of the MDC that led to these injuries?
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: Firstly that was the fight they had.
BARBARA MILLER: The wider international community has had little success in trying to bring about change to Zimbabwe.
EU and US sanctions have not swayed Robert Mugabe, and he reacted to the Commonwealth's suspension of Zimbabwe's membership by withdrawing his country from the organisation.
But pressure from within Zimbabwe is growing. And the comments of some of its neighbours may resonate.
The World Today - Wednesday, 14 March , 2007 12:33:00
Reporter: Barbara Miller
ELEANOR HALL: But let's go now to Harare, where the appearance in court of badly beaten members of Zimbabwe's political opposition has prompted the country's neighbours to break their usual silence on the actions of the Mugabe Government.
South Africa's Deputy Foreign Minister has urged President Robert Mugabe to respect the rights of all its citizens. The US has condemned the assaults.
And the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights has called for an immediate investigation into the police actions, which Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai described as sadistic.
Barbara Miller has our report.
BARBARA MILLER: The statement from South Africa doesn't sound like much of a revolution.
The Foreign Minister, Aziz Pahad, said his country urged the Zimbabwean Government to ensure that the rule of law, including the respect for rights of all Zimbabweans and leaders of various political parties, was respected.
But that represents a significant shift in policy. Zimbabwe's neighbours famously don't comment publicly on one another's affairs.
To bring about that change, it took the sight of around 50 supporters of the Zimbabwean opposition party, the Movement for Democratic Change, in court looking very badly beaten after being detained at a rally on Sunday.
Peta Thornycroft, a Correspondent for the British Daily Telegraph newspaper watched the MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai and his supporters arrive at the court.
PETA THORNYCROFT: One could see very clearly about an eight-centimetre wound on his head which had been stitched at some time since he was arrested on Sunday.
There were also several people who were most grievously injured, including one young man, who literally, I mean he could hardly breathe let alone walk, he had to be carried into the court.
BARBARA MILLER: Deteriorating conditions in Zimbabwe mean refugees are streaming over its borders. That's putting a strain on its neighbours, and those who have left Zimbabwe are keeping up the pressure.
Following the detention of the MDC members, a protest has been held outside the Zimbabwean consulate in Johannesburg.
PROTESTOR: No murder for us. No murder, brutality, will silence us. We are Zimbabweans, we are Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is not a private property of ZANU-PF.
BARBARA MILLER: Zambia has also broken with tradition to comment on recent events, albeit to stress that diplomatic channels are being used to express disquiet.
Zambian Information Minister Vernon Mwaanga.
VERNON MWAANGA: They know our concerns, and we've stated our positions to them in our private and bilateral discussions with the Government of Zimbabwe, and we've noted what has happened in the last few days.
And we know that it is a matter of concern, not only to us, but to members of the African Union and to members outside it.
BARBARA MILLER: There's also been condemnation of the treatment of the Opposition from the United Nations, which has called for an immediate investigation into their detainment.
The US has commented too, saying the treatment of the activists shows the repressive nature of Robert Mugabe's Government.
Tom Casey is the deputy spokesman for the US State Department.
TOM CASEY: No one should face harassment, intimidation, and as it increasingly appears, beatings and physical abuse simply for trying to get together and meet and freely express their views and freely talk about political issues.
BARBARA MILLER: So far, there's no sign the authorities in Zimbabwe will take any heed of the criticism.
In an interview with the BBC the country's Information Minister, Sikhanyiso Ndlovu, suggested fighting between Opposition supporters at the rally had led to their injuries.
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: They were there fighting the police and this other faction also, also which (inaudible) in the MDC.
REPORTER: Forgive me Minister, your suggestion is that ...
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: I said the MDC, they are slipping into riot.
REPORTER: And you're suggesting that the MDC, it was a fight between members of the MDC that led to these injuries?
SIKHANYISO NDLOVU: Firstly that was the fight they had.
BARBARA MILLER: The wider international community has had little success in trying to bring about change to Zimbabwe.
EU and US sanctions have not swayed Robert Mugabe, and he reacted to the Commonwealth's suspension of Zimbabwe's membership by withdrawing his country from the organisation.
But pressure from within Zimbabwe is growing. And the comments of some of its neighbours may resonate.
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Pitbull
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Is there no way the UN can force SA to uphold peace in that country ?
I think the UN should just come out and force SA to deploy troops in Zimbabwe. Because old ROB looked after the ANC in the old days... The ANC is now just turning a blind eye and trying to play favours.
I think the UN should just come out and force SA to deploy troops in Zimbabwe. Because old ROB looked after the ANC in the old days... The ANC is now just turning a blind eye and trying to play favours.
Its not really turning a blind eye as its not what the anc stands for. Publicly they state that they stand for human rights and equality but their actions show that this is not the case.
No. Zimbabwe is a sovereign state. The UN has no mandate or power to 'order' any country to enter another country. At most the UN Security council could pass a resolution of recommendation for action under very special circumstances - like civil war or genocide or something like that.
Pitbull
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I think that is the current problem in Zimbabwe
CeeBee
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unfortunately, (as with other countries) nobody can fix the problem, except the zim people themselves.... the sheep will have to wake up and realise what theyve got to do, and join their countrymen to take their country back.
I'm sure they could have a good life there, instead of running here, where they just make things worse for the rest of us... but jaaa, that is easier said than done.
hopefully this will make just a few of the sheep in the front go wakeup, so the rest can follow
I'm sure they could have a good life there, instead of running here, where they just make things worse for the rest of us... but jaaa, that is easier said than done.
hopefully this will make just a few of the sheep in the front go wakeup, so the rest can follow