Satrix - people still using them?

ClintZA said:
Not certain it is advisable to talk about 100% returns, or even 50%, in a thread where others are sharing decent investment returns from "traditional" investments. You create a return expectation for others that exceeds reality and may well lead to them taking on far more risk than they are advised to.

I can also make them 100% return in a few seconds. Go to Suncoast Casino, put the R26k on number 12 on the Roulette table and sit back and pray. Unfortunately there is a little risk that you may lose it all...
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I guess you have a point, but people should know more risk = more profit. One of the principals of investing. I'm not saying you don't have to use "traditional" forms of investing. You get high risk - high reward "traditional" options, i.e. Futures, options, currency trading, etc

I'm an entrepreneur and I prefer to have a hands on approach with my investments. That's possibly why I can acheive a higher return. But yeah, I have and I do loose money all the time, just not more than I make.

Casino is a ridiculous example, but sure I'd put it on black or red rather? Either I double my money or I loose it all.
 
Velenoso said:
Casino is a ridiculous example, but sure I'd put it on black or red rather? Either I double my money or I loose it all.
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It was meant as such :)

I was also going to add that I do not gamble in real life, and I do not gamble with client's money, so please forgive me if my payouts in my roulette example were inaccurate.
 
Velenoso said:
But you have the cash ready when a good opportunity comes by. I guess the 5 day out time frame is not bad, so it's a little better than keeping it in a bank account, but still.

That's the risk you take as an investor. R26k is not too much to risk anyway, if the caravan business fails, so be it. But it could end up making you R1000 a day as well, you could always pop in at lunchtime (if you work full time), grab a hot dog and manage the business this way.



It's better than loosing money but it's not GOOD? I usually aim for 50% return on my money. I've made 100% on my money before, it's not impossible but it involves a much higher risk.
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Well, peoples good differ. I want the earn that growth on the money with the least possible amount of effort and hassle.


Good on you for being an entrepeneur. Not my scene. A rental property is already hassle enough for me.
 
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Velenoso said:
I guess you have a point, but people should know more risk = more profit. One of the principals of investing. I'm not saying you don't have to use "traditional" forms of investing. You get high risk - high reward "traditional" options, i.e. Futures, options, currency trading, etc
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Most people, 99.9999% of people, should stay the hell away from these products, invest rather than trade and focus on index trackers, unit trusts or basic long-term share buying or using a professional.
 
undesign said:
Most people, 99.9999% of people, should stay the hell away from these products, invest rather than trade and focus on index trackers, unit trusts or basic long-term share buying or using a professional.
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Agreed.

Unless it is your job to trade, I'd stay the hell out of those products (futures, forex etc).

Rather use time to build your wealth. Focus on what you good at i.e. day job, and let your money do it's thing over time.
 
ClintZA said:
Not certain it is advisable to talk about 100% returns, or even 50%, in a thread where others are sharing decent investment returns from "traditional" investments. You create a return expectation for others that exceeds reality and may well lead to them taking on far more risk than they are advised to.

I can also make them 100% return in a few seconds. Go to Suncoast Casino, put the R26k on number 12 on the Roulette table and sit back and pray. Unfortunately there is a little risk that you may lose it all...
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He's just another Brian Gibello. Lots of salt recommended.
 
undesign said:
Most people, 99.9999% of people, should stay the hell away from these products, invest rather than trade and focus on index trackers, unit trusts or basic long-term share buying or using a professional.
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Completely agree. Almost all "retail" investors do not have nearly enough experience and financial education to be able to invest at the sophisticated level. Products like SATRIX are perfect for them.
 
abandonallhope said:
He's just another Brian Gibello. Lots of salt recommended.
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I don't know what your problem is, this is the second time you're spewing **** out your ass. I've never asked anybody for any money on here, I'm a legitimate businessman and I'm speaking from experience here. So either contribute to the topic at hand or **** off?
 
Thinking of starting some investment for my 2 year old son for his studies (tertiary). So 10 to 15 years.
Will this be a good investment? I was thinking of putting R300 to R500 p/m.
 
Fuma said:
Thinking of starting some investment for my 2 year old son for his studies (tertiary). So 10 to 15 years.
Will this be a good investment? I was thinking of putting R300 to R500 p/m.
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I'd say it would be. But I would in the last 3 years I would phase out of it into something to keep the capital value built up safe (say a good bank account or money market). Maybe a third taken out each of the 3 last years.

I would not choose a specific market area (so that would exclude Satrix indi, fini and resi for example). I would look at Satrix Divi or Satrix Rafi or BettaBeta EWT 40 or maybe the Satrix Top 40.
 
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Fuma said:
Thinking of starting some investment for my 2 year old son for his studies (tertiary). So 10 to 15 years.
Will this be a good investment? I was thinking of putting R300 to R500 p/m.
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I dont think you can go too wrong to be honest. I have done something similar, but I have used some of it as a mid life crisis car fund for when i turn 45. The other part is just for savings.

Dont have kids yet, but am hoping to use current house as rental income to pay for kids tuition when the time comes
 
I have a friend who is now an 'financial advisor' at an insurance firm.He went on a two week training course to be 'qualified' for this. Be careful who you use. Plenty of clueless people pretending they know what they are doing with your hard earned money.
 
Fuma said:
Thinking of starting some investment for my 2 year old son for his studies (tertiary). So 10 to 15 years.
Will this be a good investment? I was thinking of putting R300 to R500 p/m.
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As a very rough idea, assuming a constant 12% return per year

R300pm and an average 12% p.a return, you are looking at around:

10yrs: R47 000 in today's money
15yrs: R83 000 in today's money

At R500pm:

10 yrs: R79 000 in today's money
15 yrs: R139 000 in today's money

Assuming 6% inflation.

Is that going to be enough?
 
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My Satrix Divi has been pretty stagnant the last year, Rafi has kept growing.

I see they have revamped their website in the last two weeks, looks good and is responsive. I see they will release Divi and Rafi UT soon.

I might stop my Satrix products in the next few months after I have contributed a specific amount over the years and let them lie there and grow. I will then wait for the Tax-free saving account schemes to be launched next year and invest the R2500pm (dividing the R30 000 annual contribution cap by 12) into whichever index tracking unit trusts are cheapest at that time.
 
Gaz{M} said:
As a very rough idea, assuming a constant 12% return per year

R300pm and an average 12% p.a return, you are looking at around:

10yrs: R47 000 in today's money
15yrs: R83 000 in today's money

At R500pm:

10 yrs: R79 000 in today's money
15 yrs: R139 000 in today's money

Assuming 6% inflation.

Is that going to be enough?
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Might not be enough for full 3 or 4 years (maybe about two years) but much better than R0 ;)
 
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