Scared, depressed and concerned. Anyone else?

[Boris Becker]

What a ridiculous thing to say.

You're the proverbial frog, slowly boiled until he accepts his fate and lives in the filth and dirt.

I don't have any kids right now, so I honestly don't know how I would feel if they found themselves unable to get a job because they are not black, despite being born post-1994.

That aside though, I will never get used to the mess this country currently finds itself in. But that doesn't mean we also don't strive to do the best we can for our families and this country; unlike like that disgusting little strawman you erected.

If you say so? Not being able to find a job? What is the unemployment level among whites? It's a pity you can only see the suffering of white people. FYI Blacks make up the majority of this country.

 

[Mila]

And let's not start on the crime!!

 

[Zyzzyva]

If you say so? Not being able to find a job? What is the unemployment level among whites? It's a pity you can only see the suffering of white people. FYI Blacks make up the majority of this country.

Um, if the country was run properly the situation would be better for everyone, especially the blacks.

 

[Boris Becker]

Can I get my Capital and Resources please ....... it's made to seem like it's just being thrown about so I'll have mine now.

So you have no capital? Not R50k even? Do you own a house or a car? Because you could easily use that as a start. If you're hungry enough, you could it instead of whining. Even if you have nothing, do you an education, skills? Yes, of course. That's much more than the majority of people in this country.

 

[Boris Becker]

Um, if the country was run properly the situation would be better for everyone, especially the blacks.

My post from the other thread

Makes me think of when SA was rich in resources. If the apartheid government had chosen to educate everyone instead of suppressing and oppressing non-whites, imagine what this country could have been. Ironically, they wanted to enslave the black population (or at least make them the servant class), but now whites complain about being slaves to the blacks/poor i.e. welfare state. Turns out the architects of Apartheid were really dumb idiots. I lament the lost potential of this country .

Yes, I wish this corrupt ANC government could deliver, but even if they achieved everything humanly possible, we'd still ahve enormous challenges. It takes time. But there's no reason to give up.

 

[empirex]

If you say so? Not being able to find a job? What is the unemployment level among whites? It's a pity you can only see the suffering of white people. FYI Blacks make up the majority of this country.

Who said anything about only white people suffering?
I was speaking of white people complaining in this thread about their kids.

There is no denying that we have idiots in charge, and they are damaging our country and the people (all colours) in it.

For example new stats show that our education system is amongst the worst in the world, just above the likes of Yemen! -- that is unacceptable, no matter how you look at it, and the skin colour of the people in charge has nothing to do with their incompetence or inability to do the job.

 

[Flanders]

when AA doesn't exist...

BAHAAHAHA!

 

[noxibox]

I don't see why there is always such a fuss about bursaries. They can borrow money and work to pay their way through university like most people do.

Ignorance is bliss?

No, but people everywhere work themselves into a lather by reading the incessant bad news in newspapers. Hence we have people even in first world countries whose children are as near as possible to 100% safe out on their own, but they panic that there are predators at every turn just waiting to pounce on their offspring.

Some people in the UK and elsewhere also feel marginalised and unworthy. A lot of the blame is on the media who enjoy promoting gloom and doom, since this is what sells newspapers. I still think there is opportunity here if you are prepared to work

This is also why people think there are more disasters, war and death than ever before.

It's not just my daughters career and education that bugs me (although education in the current system is also a joke). it's her 20% change of getting raped by age 16, the chance of her getting to adulthood without some traumatic event (robbery, murder, accident etc all the responsibility of our frankly inept government) being very close to nil, the fact that she is white and currently (and by the last 20 years this is escalating) that automatically makes her someone for the majority of her peers to hate.

How do you come to those figures? I don't see escalating hatred. All we've had is the standard rhetoric from those who want to get themselves into newspapers.

The average for an African state before it goes to hell is 30 to 40 years.

Sure the instability is a valid reason to go elsewhere if it's not for you. There's nothing really unique about how things have gone in Africa, but there are other countries around the world that most likely have the bulk of any serious instability behind them. African states are obviously barely infants in the scheme of things.

Things like affirmative action and black economic empowerment are necessary. They've been poorly implemented and also can't work on their own, but there's no reason to think we'd be in a better position if white male dominated companies had been left to remain so. And they would because businesses are made up of people and thus they reflect those people's prejudices.

 

[Mila]

I don't see why there is always such a fuss about bursaries. They can borrow money and work to pay their way through university like most people do.


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That easy? I'm petrified of debt . Is it just as easy as getting student loan and doing it? What if you can't pay it back?

 

[noxibox]

Can I get my Capital and Resources please ....... it's made to seem like it's just being thrown about so I'll have mine now.

Sounds like the myth some black people believed about white people during Apartheid, that we all had our houses and cars and so on handed to us on a silver platter.

I don't have any kids right now, so I honestly don't know how I would feel if they found themselves unable to get a job because they are not black, despite being born post-1994.

If my son can't manage to make something of himself it'll be his own fault. Being white is no excuse.

That aside though, I will never get used to the mess this country currently finds itself in. But that doesn't mean we also don't strive to do the best we can for our families and this country; unlike like that disgusting little strawman you erected.

If one is aware of what is going on there aren't many, if any countries, one can go to that don't have huge problems that need fixing.

For example new stats show that our education system is amongst the worst in the world, just above the likes of Yemen! -- that is unacceptable, no matter how you look at it, and the skin colour of the people in charge has nothing to do with their incompetence or inability to do the job.

It wouldn't surprise me, but then it didn't start from a particularly high point. But I've also found that some first world countries' education systems are in a shocking mess.

 

[Redeemed]

The people who treasure peace and harmony are the very same people who rabidly oppose efforts of social and economic transformation. They somehow want the dangerously imbalanced situation to gradually "resolve itself". They want stability but they reject reform. :wtf: You can't eat your cake and have it too at the same time. Boris Becker, what you are saying is very correct but you are not going to change people's entrenched mindsets. You run the risk of being labelled "The Rooster" and banned.

 

[Captain Beer]

The people who treasure peace and harmony are the very same people who rabidly oppose efforts of social and economic transformation. They somehow want the dangerously imbalanced situation to gradually "resolve itself". They want stability but they reject reform. :wtf: You can't eat your cake and have it too at the same time. Boris Becker, what you are saying is very correct but you are not going to change people's entrenched mindsets. You run the risk of being labelled "The Rooster" and banned.

We can't help it that you had 10 kids per family.

 

[Nicodeamus]

The people who treasure peace and harmony are the very same people who rabidly oppose efforts of social and economic transformation. They somehow want the dangerously imbalanced situation to gradually "resolve itself". They want stability but they reject reform. :wtf: You can't eat your cake and have it too at the same time. Boris Becker, what you are saying is very correct but you are not going to change people's entrenched mindsets. You run the risk of being labelled "The Rooster" and banned.

Using government intervention and peace in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron. Given that government cannot achieve anything without putting a gun against your head.

 

[Nokkie]

In a nutshell that is how I feel about our country as it stands today.

When it comes to just about any news story within context, it becomes the fault of whites, apartheid, the rich or racism.

I know I should not take it personally but I do anyway.

When some politician or union member stands up and blames it on "the whites" I feel he is blaming me directly.

When one of them stands up and sings songs about killing boers I feel he is singing about killing me.
When Zuma calls for his machine gun I wonder how many of his followers use this as an excuse to take up arms and do some violent robberies.

Whenever the BEE/AA subject comes up I really can't even begin to understand how such downright evil policies were ever allowed (not because of what they intend to do but because of the unintended, long term negative damage these policies have done to our infrastructure, our experience pool, our future as a country. These two policies have set the country back at least 60 years when it comes to both our knowledgeable (and experienced) workforce as well as when it comes to widening the gap between races.

My family who were born after 1994 are being discriminated against, anyone not of the right sex or hue are being discriminated against. The government **** things up and blame it on apartheid (textbooks in Limpopo for example)).

My daughter is the only child in her school that is white. What future is there for her in this country? She won't get any bursaries, she will have to fight twice as hard and will reach a glass ceiling long before she should in just about any category.

Our country has been raised on genocidewatch twice in 2 years, will I even have to worry about my daughters future if I stay here?

Other things also piss me off.
Those whites that fought against Apartheid are now ignored, what they did for the country is brushed under the carpet, when they get vocal they are labeled things like "the madam", wtf?


How do you feel about the current state of affairs in SA?

Do you mind getting the blame for something your great great great great great great great great great great grandfather may or may not have had a part in?

Anyone else like to get it off their chest?

The wildcat strikes are making things worse in this country, People are flaming each other on news24 about racial remarks and what not... Its really getting out of hand... Well at least I hope its just a phase...

 

[Roadrunner]

That misconception about white people getting their cars and houses handed to them for free is still making the rounds.

When a friend's car was stolen recently his domestic worker remarked that she does not understand what all the fuss was about, as white people usually just get another one then.

He had to sit her down and explain to her how insurance works before she started to grasp the situation.

 

[empirex]

The people who treasure peace and harmony are the very same people who rabidly oppose efforts of social and economic transformation. They somehow want the dangerously imbalanced situation to gradually "resolve itself". They want stability but they reject reform. :wtf: You can't eat your cake and have it too at the same time. Boris Becker, what you are saying is very correct but you are not going to change people's entrenched mindsets. You run the risk of being labelled "The Rooster" and banned.

I agree with this to some extent.

There has to be a rebalance. There is no question about this.
Anyone who thinks otherwise -- imagine it was you that had been herded into "settlements", and given bantu education and denied access to jobs, public swimming pools, restaurants, etc.

When you finally experience freedom, would you not expect some kind of redress?

Unfortunately the government's implementation thereof has been terrible.

 

[Ekstasis]

I agree with this to some extent.

There has to be a rebalance. There is no question about this.
Anyone who thinks otherwise -- imagine it was you that had been herded into "settlements", and given bantu education and denied access to jobs, public swimming pools, restaurants, etc.

When you finally experience freedom, would you not expect some kind of redress?

Unfortunately the government's implementation thereof has been terrible.

I agree 100% with what you've said here. Furthermore, if roles were reversed with whites being oppressed in an era of Apartheid, it would have been exactly the same. When the black baas says to the white garden boy "Pieter, go pull out those weeds in the backyard please (in Xhosa / Zoeloe )".....and Pieter just stands there going "Ai ai ai", not knowing what the hell the baas just said

 

[SoulTax]

Sure its the made up doom and gloom in the news that makes people in SA spend hundreds of millions per year on private security. Its the media that spews, story after story of some "rare" occasion of rape, or home invasion and brutalisation of the residents, even children, for the sick entertainment of the assailants. Nobody on this forum knows a friend who knows a friend who has been a victim of some kind of very violent, very brutal attack on their person.

We don't need the media to know that crime and violent crime in SA is a scary and very real thing. We don't need the media to know that the odds say that in a medium sized family, at least 1 of those women will be raped at some point in their lives. We don't need the media to know that our kids cant play on the streets or in public parks Except in seriously well off areas that are cordoned off and made "Secure". We don't need the media to know that 95% of the middle class has no idea what their neighbors names are, what they do for a living etc... Simply because our homes are our castles, our supposed safe havens. You look over your shoulder when pulling up to your gate in "off peak" times, whether in the middle of the day, or late at night. But you are happy to live in a society like that.

You make excuses to yourselves about it being media hype, to make you feel all warm and cozy at night. But you know the truth, you know that before you die, someone close to you will be the victim of one of these horribly over-exaggerated crimes. And facing that possibility, scares the **** out of you.

 

[PostmanPot]

A newspaper is a device that makes the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.

Politics is a dirty game.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

That easy? I'm petrified of debt . Is it just as easy as getting student loan and doing it? What if you can't pay it back?

+1. My wife finished her studies last year and we are paying back the loan. However, the terms from the bank is such, that if she were to try and do it on her own, she wouldn't have managed between rent, food, petrol and the loan repayments. Luckily we're paying it off together and this makes it much easier. Still though, sets our house buying plans back a year or so..