Morgoth
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)Morgoth
Executive Member
I came back from school one day, told my dad how much I disliked teachers so he asked me :
can you read? yes
can you write? yes..
can you add? yes
"then be ****ing grateful if it wasn't for a teacher you wouldn't have been able to do that."
Its probably the most disrespected job, if a child does well, then his a smart kid, if he doesn't get A grades then its the teacher's fault
can you read? yes
can you write? yes..
can you add? yes
"then be ****ing grateful if it wasn't for a teacher you wouldn't have been able to do that."
Its probably the most disrespected job, if a child does well, then his a smart kid, if he doesn't get A grades then its the teacher's fault
Sting
Ghost in the Machine
This is true from my observation. University lecturers have it relatively easy compared to school teachers. However, they do have horrendous numbers.
24 hrs? Once you have done a 3x8hr shifts please bring me the proof. As an accountant we did 23 hrs, slept an hour and worked another 8 hrs 2 months ago, not even year end - but the big walks must be so stressful?
I hear you - just don't go overboard, other jobs would kill to have your hours & levels of stress.
NWU Potchefstroom have you write literacy tests and they teach you to read and write if you don't score high enough.
Morgoth
Executive Member
That test?...Rofl, you basically have to be able to tell the difference between metaphors.....seriously easy.
Nom Chompsky
High Tory
@lsuacner: Not sure where you get the notion that all universities are teaching students how to read and write. The only vague 'test' we had on literacy was part of a broader test on maths, comprehension etc. We certainly have never been taught how to write an essay or anything (UCT correctly expects us to have learnt that skill in high school)... in fact, unlike school, we're not allowed to hand in draft essays for correction/modification.
And I can promise you that 95% of people at UCT can read and write at a level that would be considered literate.
And I can promise you that 95% of people at UCT can read and write at a level that would be considered literate.
Peder
Hobbit
my mom does ACE with my brother( ACE is registered at the department of education) and she says that she struggles to understand their rubricks etc, and they take AGES to fill in just for my brother no imagine 32 times that amount. its just insane.
In a way i feel for the teachers. I can only imagine the feeling of irritation you must experience trying to teach kids who don't want to be taught.
I do extra maths classes but that is because my maths is really university level or i don't know its just very difficult. But the other day i saw a boy he is grade 4 and does not even believe he can reach grade 12, it it quite scary why do kids not want to learn?
In a way i feel for the teachers. I can only imagine the feeling of irritation you must experience trying to teach kids who don't want to be taught.
I do extra maths classes but that is because my maths is really university level or i don't know its just very difficult. But the other day i saw a boy he is grade 4 and does not even believe he can reach grade 12, it it quite scary why do kids not want to learn?
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Picard
Guest
Granted - but then accountants get paid proportionally much more than teachers. And you might say that some don't, but at least accountants have the possibility to earn much more. Teacher are forever stuck at a fixed salary with little to no prospect of earning more in later years.
I don’t buy this. Maybe it’s a personality thing (it smacks of “my dick is longer than yours so my puddle of self-pity is bigger”). I worked for 10 years in a (private) R&D corporation. When deadlines approached it was normal to pull all-nighters. A teacher is subject to a sustained level of stress (it never lets up) although it may be marginally less. I would rather have periodic high stress levels and be more relaxed much of the time, than have a sustained moderate stress level all the time.
Tough question. I have seen on television folks saying the previous government was better for them. Service delivery sucks that much at the moment!
The truth is, we don't know. The only people that can vouch for it are old and dying or will be soon... Our frame of reference is getting murkier by the minute as is our ability to distinguish between fact and fiction regarding Apartheid and what really happened. The generation of politicians starting to flap their mouthes about Apartheid now, like Julius Malema and company , didn't really see it. Julius did have his formative years in Apartheid, but he was about 15 when the change came...
When kids born after 1994 start entering politics and still continue to bitch and moan about Apartheid, that is when you have to worry about the country's future.
LETS BE HONEST FOR A MINUTE ... Compared to the murder of American Indians on mass in the USA, or the hunting of Aborigines in Australia by whites, Apartheid was a silent fart in polite company compared to that on the sin index... It wasn't right, but the world is all ****ed up in its sense of things to hammer on...
I personally can quite easily assume myself that so called Bantu education was indeed better if less appreciated in Apartheid when I look at the **** going on around us right now...
I leave it to our black countrymen to make up their minds for themselves. It remains an interesting question... Time will tell, but it could do so in tragic ways I am afraid. It seems our country is coming loose at the seams.
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woelig
Well-Known Member
moggie, i said semi-literate children. They have learnt something, but OBE stuffed the rest up.
Big thumbs up to your wife, plus my sincerest condolences.Teaching primary school in todays age doesnt sit in anyone's pants
When I was still a primary school teacher we made the silly joke that primary schools are now aanpassings skole. Jy pass hulle maar net aan van die een standerd na die ander.
And she's right. The admin alone kills anyone's sex drive.
woelig
Well-Known Member
24 hrs? Once you have done a 3x8hr shifts please bring me the proof. As an accountant we did 23 hrs, slept an hour and worked another 8 hrs 2 months ago, not even year end - but the big walks must be so stressful?
I hear you - just don't go overboard, other jobs would kill to have your hours & levels of stress.
Are you sure???
Going without sleep and living on REDBULL becomes a way of life during exams. If you do not believe me, come to my house during exam times and observe genius in action. YOU WILL BE AMAZED!!!
After marking and grading scripts comes the admin and analysis of results. Thereafter comes corrective measures and how it could be implemented.
You will soon change your tune once you see a teacher in action 'after hours'. After school closed on Wednesday I went to bed and only woke up 14h00 the next day. and no, I dont drink, so it wasnt babelaas.
Today it was back to school for us teachers to analyse results and identify problem areas.
After that I still had extra math classes to assist learners who identified their own weaknesses. Got home at 14h00. Went jogging to clear my head. Came back. Did some research on Quartile Projections and Probability Studies and how to make it even easier for learners to understand.
and now i'm on MyBB. Hoping for some peace and calm.
I hear you - just don't go overboard, other jobs would kill to have your hours & levels of stress.
Are you sure???
Going without sleep and living on REDBULL becomes a way of life during exams. If you do not believe me, come to my house during exam times and observe genius in action. YOU WILL BE AMAZED!!!
After marking and grading scripts comes the admin and analysis of results. Thereafter comes corrective measures and how it could be implemented.
You will soon change your tune once you see a teacher in action 'after hours'. After school closed on Wednesday I went to bed and only woke up 14h00 the next day. and no, I dont drink, so it wasnt babelaas.
Today it was back to school for us teachers to analyse results and identify problem areas.
After that I still had extra math classes to assist learners who identified their own weaknesses. Got home at 14h00. Went jogging to clear my head. Came back. Did some research on Quartile Projections and Probability Studies and how to make it even easier for learners to understand.
and now i'm on MyBB. Hoping for some peace and calm.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
Billions are pumped into education every year. Where is this money going to?
woelig
Well-Known Member
woelig
Well-Known Member
DreamKing
Honorary Master
I agree. But we allstart out as good teachers then the system starts messing us around. BTW we are not the only victims here. I pity the learners in this new SA. The changes in education they have to deal with on a regularr basis is frightening. The learning content changes at a moments notice, and evrytime they get used to one thing another thing gets introduced. The subject content gets so loaded and they simply just have to cope.
We have suggested to the dept that teachers should have input in drawing up pace setters and subject content, and not some fat oomie up in his office who knows nothing of what happens in the classroom situation.
Needless to say, they didn't bite.
Us teachers are really at our wit's end. Many who've had enough just leave the profession, then the old fools who believe we can make a difference stay behind and get stuck with a double workload.
I'm still foolish enough to hope things will change for the better.
The matric results last year were poor for the mane reason that they changed the curriculum in the middle of the year with no advance warning. we tried as best we could to prepare these unsuspecting learners, and then the finger was pointed at the teachers, not the dept who messed with something that wasn't broke.
Do you know that the pass requirements have changed again (in the middle of the year). Grades 10 and 11 will be hardest hit.
They have also done away with the rule that you can only stay a certain amount of years (3) in one phase, then you must be condoned to the next grade. Now, even if you fail 12 tiimes in any particular phase, there you'll stay.
The situation in my registered class (grade 10) is as follows:
1. 7 students turning 21
2. 8 girls who have 1 child each
3. 4 girls who have 2 kids each
4. 9 boys who are fathers already
5. 2 boys (which i know of) sells dagga at school
6. 3 learners who sell cigarettes at school
and that's just in my registered class
It is sad to see good teachers go bad, but what else can we do if the system is against us? We do try our best. At the moment it is holiday, but I am getting ready to go to school to give extra maths classes since the results were not what we anticipated. And I do this free of charge. There is no overtime pay.
bTW gotta go. will be back after 2h30. just have to pack in the redbull then i'm off.
more comments:
2-4) it is why cosatu wants to have materiality leave in school.
5-6) it is why cosatu (and some people in this forum) wants to legalize of dagga.
1) because of reason 2-6, students NEVER graduate.
woelig
Well-Known Member
more comments:
2-4) it is why cosatu wants to have materiality leave in school.
5-6) it is why cosatu (and some people in this forum) wants to legalize of dagga.
1) because of reason 2-6, students NEVER graduate.
They never graduate because they dont have the desire to pass.
If this state of affairs persist with us teachers being so poorly paid and treated, dagga would become an attractive option.
woelig
Well-Known Member
you know, we as teachers (good or bad) all strive at some point or other to give these students our best, but Jis man, have you tried farting in a windstorm???